Could our money be in an overeseas bank account

So sorry to hear this. I worked for Podular for a while but have since left. There were numerous red flags for me from the outset. What is worse is that someone is still on their social media accounts attempting to lure in potential customers. They need to be stopped. Surely some media attention or something could help achieve this?

This sounds awful and incredibly stressful. That is a significant sum to have paid in advance of reaching key milestones. Please take legal advice from a construction lawyer – Christchurch has some excellent firms – to see what your options are and how to navigate from here. If you haven’t already, do make a note of all interactions with Podular – a diary of engagement if you like. Clearly they have significant issues and are overselling and underdelivering.

We are also up to our necks with them. Would be interested to compare notes with you. citrusgello@gmail.com

Sorry to here this. I worked there but left a couple months ago – management are utter morons. The workers, like the on site crew, designers, factory crew etc are really nice, and trying to do their best but they are hindered by by humpty and dumpty running the show. I wouldnt trust those two to look after a 10 cent coin. They lie to staff and clients, they owe 10’s of thousands to subbies, consultants etc, even got booted out of chch factory due to not paying rent. deffinately going under. I feel so sorry for all the customers and staff who are getting screwed over

This is the most accurate review I have ever read. I am in same situation with the same company. Charles lied and stole and now silence after so many promises. RUN PEOPLE – RUN!

Hello is anyone coordinating claims from Podular customers? I am a lawyer for some customers who did not know anything was amiss until the herald article today. They would love to hear from others to look for a solution.

Hi, we are in the same situation. We would be interested in joining forces if we can get a group together. Luiandeva@gmail.com

They have now gone into liquidation. Staff have taken everything that they personally own off site and most have received termination letters.

Sorry to here this. I worked there but left a couple months ago – management are utter morons. The workers, like the on site crew, designers, factory crew etc are really nice, and trying to do their best but they are hindered by by humpty and dumpty running the show. I wouldnt trust those two to look after a 10 cent coin. They lie to staff and clients, they owe 10’s of thousands to subbies, consultants etc, even got booted out of chch factory due to not paying rent. deffinately going under. I feel so sorry for all the customers and staff who are getting screwed over

I am in the same situation with Podular owing me n money for six months. So many lies & failed promises. Charles ignores emails, calls & texts.

Hi, we are in a similar situation with Podular and have just been told that Charles has stepped away and Ilan Gross has stepped in as director. Having worked there, is this accurate or have they both been running it the whole time. Also the latest email I received is from Alex Turner, when I Googled him his name came up as Alex Innes, just wondering if that means he is related to Charles? Any help would be appreciated, I’m just trying to get an idea about how much I’m being lied to. Thanks

Charles some how managed to win a contract with the Masterton District council to build for the skatepark there. It might take a local council being screwed over for the media to pay attention.

Fyi, I have heard from a contractor that worked at our place and is owed over a $100,000 that they have a deal in place to sell. I’m not sure how unless it gets them out of contracts. You might need to work fast if that’s a possibility.

Do you have an email, our situation is slightly different than most here, but I believe they have stuff on their yard that we have paid for.

hi lawyer, if you want a list of some clients, i can get it for you? i know the person that went to the media and they have some details of others – can even get you consultants and tradies details too ganonnz22@gmail.com

Contact me on david@pirotta.org from your practice address. Happy to discuss.

http://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz is now showing Podular Housing Systems Limited (8066719) as in liquidation and identifies the liquidators. The company Sanders Manufacturing Limited (7694536) formerly known as Podular Group Limited is not similarly identified. Are they too in liquidation, and the companies office website hasn’t been updated yet? Were build contracts in both names? Ours was.

yup, I drove past the auckland office this morning to see if anyone was still there, carpark was empty so i drove in, looked in the window and the place is cleared out. im ex staff, i left a couple months ago, but i knew people who were still there. they still owe staff money, not to mention the builds they havent completed and the clients they screwed over – myself and a couple others have been in touch with the serious fraud office and they seem quite interested. ganonnz22@gmail.com

Do any ex employees know where the stuff from Wairau Rd ended up? I’m trying to locate the joinery that was stored at the office, thanks in advance.

are you only interested in people signed with Podular housing systems ltd.?Problem is our emails and deposits were with different companies it seems. Ten four ltd ,sanders pemiercabins ,.sander group ltd,and podularhousing systems all seem to be the one outfit

if its an amount under 30.000 is it worth it , and if it was with podular group limited .?

Charles is a liar and a crook. And currently on holiday in Bali, receiving his director salary still. Our money, in their pockets.

Hi Anon (and all the other people who are involved with Podular), Luckily I’m not, so please forgive me if I’m stepping in where I’m not required. But it seems it’s reached the stage where (as you suggested) you need a construction lawyer. But if the basic problem is similar for everyone, it makes no sense for each person to engage a different lawyer. So I’m a bit surprised no one has suggested joint action, and coming to an arrangement on sharing the cost.

I honestly couldn’t tell you anything as I believe we were being fed constant lies as employees also. I only worked in the factory so had very little to do with management but as far as I am aware Charles was head of operations and there were other business partners/investors but really who knows. The first red flag for me was that Podular were unable to hold trade accounts with major suppliers and all purchases had to be paid in advance, significantly slowing down operations. There were numerous weeks where we had literally nothing to do. I heard this was due to Charles having filed bankrupcy on more than one occasion though I cannot confirm this.

Alexandra Innes – wife/partner of Charles. Don’t know if she also goes by Alex Turner.

Alex is the QS for podular and not related to Charles in anyway. He’s been trying for months to correct the train wreck that Charles and co has led them into which based on comments still hasnt been fixed since i left many months ago as you cant do anything when the two company directors aka dumb and dumber have no clue how to run a construction company and cant even do the basics like ordering materials because companies refuse to work with them due not getting paid previously amongst other financial issues.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/physically-sick-family-paid-500000-for-modular-home-they-may-never-receive/RL6TKGAQHBCHJEXYRMUKMCI5WE/ Fyi

Alex Innes is the name of Charles’ wife.

Not sure on contracts as I wasn’t involved with them but from what i do know everything was handled with Charles since he was the one signing up clients and we were often getting news out of the blue of clients he had signed up and proposed deals he had made. Sanders was Charles side business and were not in liquidation at the time but its probably safe to assume they have also now also gone into liquidation as i was told there was talk of him wanting to move the Sanders business based in Rotorua into the same factory as the one in Hamilton. Not sure if that ever happened but i do know of people being made redundant out of the blue in Rotorua because of the proposed move.

Jesus, and what about Charles new venture offshore in Bali?? Wonder where that stands?

sanders cabins website has been immobilised so I’d say same fate

i worked at podular. sanders was very much linked with podular not just same oweners/directors, but financially as well. Sander made money, podular didnt, but they were always shifting money around and taking money from sanders to prop up podular, so im guessing sanders will be a gonner too

has everyone seen the liquidators first report for podular that came out today? its on the companies office website and it paints a dire picture. a couple of things in the report that stick out for me are….. The liquidators have identified in excess of $2 million of deposits that have been paid by customers for which work has not yet started. the deposits were held in the companys general account and do not appear to have been spent for the purposes in which they were paid. this bank account was overdrawn at the commencement of liquidation and as a result there is no ability for customers to trace their deposits. and…. the liquidators have concerns regarding the conduct of the management of the company and will conduct an investigation into the failure of the company. So in other words, they took 2 million from current customers, and spent it all, as their account is in overdraft. Considering they owe money to over 200 creditors, what did they do with the money taken from customers? and the liquidators comment on their concerns regarding the conduct of management just confirms my suspicions of these dodgy crooks and the crap i saw as a former employee. geeze I hope charels and ilan get taken down for this

We dropped into their Wairau office just over a week ago. Looked more scarce than I remember. A few tables/desks with monitors but no computers (Ethernet cables left dangling unattached). No staff there. However just before we left Matt emerged. He assured us that Sanders was all good and unaffected by the Podular scenario and tried to reassure us with the “new buyer” story. I guess Matt is just as bigger liar as Charles.

I have paid out quite a sum of money ,but pulled out after reading reports from clients and staff .My contract was with sanders premier ,then when I requested acknowledgement of deposit that was from podulargroup.limited. Is there any chance of getting anything back .I pulled out rather than lose more or be kept in limbo.

We are in the same boat with Sanders Manufacturing, we have paid a deposit for a shed back in September for delivery in January on a quote that had both Sanders and Podular in the letter head. Became suspicious of no progress and tried sending emails, they just bounced. Tried contracting the person we deal with via mobile. No answer and no response to voice message. So while the website might still be active, I suspect that it will be in liquidation soon. Is there anything that can be done to make sure these low life scum do not keep operating in NZ.

I agree. They did it to me. I am a client. Charles is on holiday in Bali with his cowardly tail between his legs. Phone not answered and his email redirecting clients to other Podular employees. Avoiding the heat as the Podular Pandemic has escalated out of control. Weak and cowardly. I think he must have been neutured!

Charles has been personally bankrupt at least once according to the NZ insolvency register. Wish I’d known that 18 months ago.

Zoominfo has her listed as Alex Innes, same email as Alex Turner. Thanks for the help.

Hi B How long ago was it you worked there and noticed the problems? Just asking because I wonder if these guys have continued to trade whilst insolvent, which is illegal.

As a former employer, I can confirm all of the previous comments. Charles is a crook, been bankrupt before and clearly has not learnt lessons from that. Ilan is so arrogant he thinks hes some sort of business genius when in reality he cant find his way out of a paper bag. They owe hundreds of thousands to people and even cant pay wages on time for weeks now. Most staff have left or in the process of leaving. If you put some heat on charles and ilan they just stick their head in the sand and you get silence from them. I knkw of several clients and staff that are starting legal proceedings with them.

Good to see Poduar have finally received some media attention. The two directors/owners are absolute muppets – Ilan Gross and Charles Innes. Charles I believe has buggered off to some tropical destination somewhere, meanwhile many clients are out of pocket of hundreds of thousands, and also staff are not being paid wages either. clearly being bankrupt once before, doesnt teach you anything. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/physically-sick-family-paid-500000-for-modular-home-they-may-never-receive/RL6TKGAQHBCHJEXYRMUKMCI5WE/

For anyone who is a victim of Podular, especially if you have your build but it’s suffering from defects I would highly recommend a construction lawyer called Victoria Whitfield who is based in Cambridge. I’ve used her services before along with Noel Jellyman who is a forensic building specialist and my outcome was excellent. We suffered from a terrible build from Te Awamutu based company called “Shedit” who also have the companies “Houseit” and “FBR” and after two years of fighting the directors (Alan Hockly and Giles Bayley) myself and getting nowhere, Victoria had my case sorted within two months and it was the best decision I could have made. The longer you wait the more likely it is that Podular will go under so join forces and get the ball rolling! My deepest sympathies for you all though, this will not be easy.

Not a holiday, he’s setting up another pod housing company, manufacturing in Bali

“serious mismanagement”. Yeah thats sounds like something Ilan would say, trying to deflect blame and being clueless as usual. The “management” he’s talking about is him and his mate Charles.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/300754540/im-deeply-sorry-i-take-responsibility-director-of-tiny-home-company-gone-bust-is-former-bankrupt Anyone have an opinion on this?

Hi all The liquidator is already selling off stuff. See link to auction website here: https://auctions.allaboutauctions.co.nz/?fbclid=IwAR1ZQ7i34t8TY5gYhzOsS34_WFXxdRIhPAUkCWRUhvHAy8dZl3NJ3gLZ-Ss This looks to be from Hamilton / Waipa.

who is Matt?

Ally is Ilan’s partner.

Hi Kate Do have a look at the liquidators preliminary report (it’s available on companies office website) and if you believe that you are a creditor of the company make sure you complete the relevant form and let the liquidators know before the due date. Suggest you also brief your lawyer. Podular Group Limited is the former name of Sanders Manufacturing Limited. Not Podular Housing Systems Limited. It is all rather complicated – thus suggest speaking with your lawyer.

The showroom site on Dominion Road for Sanders Manufacturing Ltd has now largely been vacated – the remaining sheds gone, the astroturf lifted, the decking removed etc. If they’re not engaging with you, then you could try social media (Facebook – if that’s live). Keep it factual and polite. e.g. “Hi Sanders, we paid our deposit in X and expected delivery in Y. It’s now January, emails and phone calls are going unanswered – could you tell me what’s going on please. We’re having huge trouble contacting you and want reassurance that you’ll deliver by the due date of Z.

Sanders is/was part of Podular. You need to contact GERRY REA Partners, as they are the Liquidators.

close to half a year or so ago. problems were noticeable from the start. Charles who was bankrupt previously from his time running the “installers group” calls himself an entrepreneur when hes closer to a used car salesman and Illan thinks he can run it like a software company (which is what he has his expertise in).

Podular are still actively recruiting for marketers, I’ve been in the game for a while & as soon as I asked for a deposit never heard back lol.

I really believe that we should get together as a group and coordinate. Lawyer fees will become manageable and if we need to we can mobilize opinion through social media, lobbying local MPs etc.

Charles is currently in Bali setting up another business with a partner based in Perth. Again, modular homes, he’s looking to manufacture over there. So, he’s onwards and upwards and leaving his shit behind. Is that even legal???

I’m a previous employee too. Charles changes his mind every five minutes. Hard to keep up. Don’t think he even remembers what he said the day before.

They owe millions. Not just hundreds of thousands. I heard that one staff member says Charles’s father and grandfather have been bankrupt multiple times between them!? So it appears to be a genetic defect. I was told by an employee that Charles tried to resign as director before he left for Bali. As there is only one director you can’t resign unless another is instated. They wouldn’t accept his resignation. Thwarted from escaping his directorship during their demise. A Criminal and a Coward.

The coincides with what he told me about a month ago (after I told him I had made contact with a reporter and ranting that “I’ve fucked myself” saying it multiple times ). That he had “other projects I want to get on with”. Bali and Woodward connection being it. Or one of his plans anyway.

Yeah its Charles talking out of his ass as usual. His line about seeking help and it all falling on deaf ears until too late is an example of how full of it shit he was to anyone who knows since he was the one with the deaf ears and had his finger in everything since he was the one signing up and pushing for more customer homes to be built while ignoring pleas by others for him to stay away from pricing and contracts all while giving out false promises that he would forget about once clients were signed up.

Some of the materials photographed for auction are labelled with client names / project names. You may wish to check out. More photos on the auction houses Facebook page than on the auction house’s web page. #Podular #PodularLiquidation

Hi Anon I spoke with Kelly the stuff reporter after that article angered me so much. She is going to do more articles. And wants people to contact her with information. She said she had dozens of calls following her article. Nobody owes Charles installments as he claims, until Podulars obligations are met. Which they haven’t been. He is a compulsive liar. Phoned me from Bali about five days ago and said he was working on a solution and that he would make sure I would get our house. This is after liquidation is enacted. More lies. I asked him how he proposed to do that and he said “I don’t know”. Then tried to talk shit that none of us believe. His mouth is a sewer. Had the gumption to say “I am the only here to help you guys. Everyone else has run away. Ilan, Wallace Corporation, everyone involved. I’m doing the right thing and am the only one who hasn’t run away”. OMG He’s run away the furthest. To Bali. They refused to accept his resignation as Director. You can’t resign as director if there is only one and another has not been instated..This information was told to me be interim Manager John Prasad. Johnny also told me that money had been going to a number differect accounts and was difficult to trace. This was during Petra’s research in Podular. By the way. Alley, the front line lady on the phone and the one who told me “all the builds are running smoothly and on time” is Ilans partner. She glibly lied to me with no compuntion.

From Sanders Sheds

Meanwhile if you look at Charles Innes FB profile you will see a pic of him in still in Bali

Trading whilst insolvent. A criminal offence for a director I believe.

We too signed a contract with Podular for a very simple build. It’s been a year since . Still not through council ! Fortunately we only paid for Council consent process and not first deposit. We have been getting the silent treatment too (many emails, phone calls and walk-ins to office). This prompted us to eventually find this website.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/physically-sick-family-paid-500000-for-modular-home-they-may-never-receive/RL6TKGAQHBCHJEXYRMUKMCI5WE/ Probably a good idea to get in touch with the reporter.

Hi is anyone organising a group? I’m a lawyer for some customers devastated to read the nz herald article today. They would love some information. They had no idea anything was amiss as have only just recently been introduced to Podular

Do you know which company in Perth?

interesting to hear that – do you have any other details? he’s a bloody crook and needs to be stopped – you would think that being bankrupt before, and having several failed business over the years, you would take a hint and figure out that you have no business acumen. I dont know how the crook sleeps at night knowing he has screwed over dozens of people of millions

How do you know this?

interesting LA, I know someone who contacted a reporter to and its how the herald story over the weekend came about – i dont think its you though as the person i know hasnt been on this website. the herald story really underestimates the money they owe….its millions

So did he mean ‘he’s’ fucked himself or that you have? Someone needs to let John Woodward know by sending the article and this thread.

you are right client – the amount they owe in the herald article is a major underestimate, based on the few clients the media spoke to. it was 900k just from the 3 or 4 clients in the story, there are at least another 10 clients in same position, as well as sub trades like plumbers and sparkies, as well as geotech engineers, structural engineers……not to mention staff havent been paid for several weeks. I know who went to the media and know people that have worked there. i dont know about charles father or grandfathe, but charles has deffinately been bankrupt just a few years ago and has buggered off overseas. and the other owner Ilan Gross has also been liquedated once before.

Hi Watch Out would you be willing to talk with David (whose email is provided) and myself? David has my details (client, LA) etc.

How close was Ilan to the day to day running, I see he was a director before Charles, with a 50/50 share split, which ended up 95/5 a little while ago.

Lets not forget he was also setting up another pod housing company in Bali while all this was going under. Spun so much shit over there. The guy is a complete arsehole

Wow, so the Bali set-up is going ahead. Not surprising re Alley as B said she was the one in charge of the social media accounts and deleting posts, blocking people etc, indicating that Ilan was fully aware of the situation. FYI, the Liquidators have not renewed the building insurance related to the contrcts with Podular, I’m waiting to get some feedback as to where that leaves us.

what info do you need? i and a few others on here used to work for them, but left at various stages during this year once we all realised how corrupt charles and ilan are

private investor, hes funding it. Might be quite good for him to see the article in the Herald

see above, private investor.

Facebook…. John Woodward , Studied at TAFE NSW, Lives in Perth

Facebook…. John Woodward , Studied at TAFE NSW, Lives in Perth

Facebook…. John Woodward , Studied at TAFE NSW, Lives in Perth

Contact me by email from your practice email and I will be happy to discuss further. david@pirotta.org

He said to me, that “I fucked myself”, said it several times. Because I said I hand made contact with a reporter. Which we didn’t pursue in the end. Didn’t need to. The reporter from the Herald was a complete surprise. And was given my name as well as others – from someone off the street. That is how I have come to have contact with some other clients. There is certainly millions of dollars owing. Wonder what Woodwards (Perth) background holds? Feel free to contact me. D P has my details.

I’ve sent him both the NZ Herald article and this thread. Let’s hope he checks Messenger.

yeah i know. i told the journalist that all clients are in the same boat as us and that they have stolen/lost millions in total. i don’t know why he didn’t deduce this. or listen to me. it is obvious. i don’t how we are going to build a house for us to live in. i am the single mum.

I am interested in hearing from anyone with inside knowledge of what went on in Podular. Especially interested from clients who signed up in the last three months, the more recent the better. Speaking up is the only way to stop this happening again. david@pirotta.org

I don’t know anything more so not sure I could add anything more of relevance. I do know that Charles is still in Bali and will be at least for another few days. The Perth investor went to Bali and then Charles went to Perth. He has been looking at options to manufacture in Bali, modular homes I believe, maybe flat packed, potentially on wheels. Charles was always looking at other options alongside Podular. Did a lot of big talking. I could never work out if he believed all of his grandiose plans.

I don’t suppose you could advise the staff on what our standing is either ? as a disgruntled employee I may have information that could help your case too

He was operating under Ten Four Ltd which is a company registered in 2020. Its still operating but I don’t know if there’s a way to check if that company is solvent or not (it almost certainly has no money lol), but AFAIK he can trade in another company while podular has tanked, as long as he’s not on the disqualified directors list. New Zealand might be ranked the 4th easiest place in the world to do business but that’s a blessing and a curse.

Not as much as Charles but definitely had his input so he is nowhere close to being innocent in all this. His wife was the one deleting comments & blocking people on their social media pages for example.

Wow, so the Bali set-up is going ahead. Not surprising re Alley as B said she was the one in charge of the social media accounts and deleting posts, blocking people etc, indicating that Ilan was fully aware of the situation. FYI, the Liquidators have not renewed the building insurance related to the contrcts with Podular, I’m waiting to get some feedback as to where that leaves us. Hopefully the Serious Fraud Office, Ird and the Liquidators can track where the money went.

Hey, do you have any other contacts or evidence other than Jonathan Woodward to confirm this, I’ve made some contact with him and he doesn’t seem concerned. Thanks

Great idea

thanks. how did you find this out? i know who went to the media, and can confrim everything in the herald article is true. worst place ive worked at, and what was in the herald story is just scratching the surface

I would be very interested to know how you found this out. My wife and I were the ones featured in the NZ Herald article.

Hi G. I am in the process of making a complaint to the companies register. Please contact me if you have useful information david@pirotta.org

Good. Have you heard back?

you are right watch out. when i worked there charles was always trying to come with some grand plan to use to scam more people. calls himself an entrepaneur – barely knows how to spell his own name – he would have to be the most full of shit person ive ever met

Alex, is that you?

Hello disgruntled employee Link here might help to understand your rights: https://www.employment.govt.nz/workplace-policies/workplace-change/insolvency-and-employment/ Anon

I have some second hand info re staff but I cannot claim that it is wholly accurate. Happy to discuss. PM me.

join the club discruntled. I had to threaten legal action a coupe weeks ago to get the wages i was owed when i left. finally got it last week, but its still only about 90% correct. im still owed some. be interesting to know what info you have, as ive been sharing quite a lot via email to some others in order to help with legal action and to the SFO ganonnz22@gmail.com P

excellent that John knows…and well done ‘s’ for messaging 20 of his friends. Legend.

What did he lie about in the article today?

That is interesting, any chance he’s part of the Bali set-up?

No sorry I dont. I have heard that he’s not concerned and I can”t work that one out. Surely reading the articles would raise some serious red flags. Is it legal for Charles to setup another company overseas like that with all that’s going on here?

Hi Anon, yes it does sound like someone is getting worried. He tries to make it sound like he is wanting to change things for the better of the customers, yeah right. The reason will be all to do with him. Notice in the article he’s still in Bali., frantically trying to ensure the Bali venture goes ahead, Won’t be wanting to step back in this country.

Facebook…. John Woodward , Studied at TAFE NSW, Lives in Perth

good on you for speaking out DP, I was hoping someone would when I heard someone had gone to the media(i know who went to media). I’ve heard it on good authority that Charles buggered off overseas several weeks ago, and staff havent been paid for several weeks either, and are all stressed out and frantically trying to find new jobs. and the claim from Ilan that he’s looking to sell to overseas investors is absolute B.S – who in their right mind would buy this business. that herald story was just the tip of the iceberg based on what i know about them. its well in excess of $1 million that they owe people

It’s a fact. Don’t want to say how I know as I want to protect innocent peoples anonymity, but I do. I feel gutted for you both as well as all the others so wanted to put that out there. Charles is currently in the throes of setting it all up in Bali with John Woodward as investor. It needs to be stopped. Charles needs to face the music back here and not escape to another country with a trail of destruction and ruined lives behind him.

Hi DP, do u know if Sanders Sheds r being pulled down with Podular too? Apparently Charles had a stake in Sanders too?

No it doesn’t look like he’s seen it. If anyone has his details let me know.

Fyi, I messaged 20 of his friends..1 got back to me informed me that he knows.

Well, clearly I’m not very good at posting discretely.

I worked for this company very briefly in August 2021 in a management capacity and QS i left after 4 weeks what a ness, i have files though and one is very recent cashflow as Charles is not that smart.

no not alex (and to correct previous commetns alex turner is not charles wife he was the QS) worked in the hamilton yard though see theres a new stuff article this morning with another fuckload of lies from charles lying prick

No, it’s Charles and John Woodward from Perth. Ilan is def not involved.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/podular-housing-systems-minority-shareholder-opposes-liquidators-appointment/HYNKK5MH3VGZZANBZ2NKPE5XQU/#:~:text=The%20minority%20shareholder%20of%20Podular,went%20ahead%20without%20his%20approval. Sounds like someone is getting worried.

The Podular website is back up wtf

I’ve just lodged an online quote using the Podular website so I’ll let you know if I get any contact from them. I feel terrible for you all and these guys need to be made accountable for their deceitful actions and I’ll help any way I can. What a bunch of assholes! (sorry for the bad language Mark)

Did anyone attend the creditors meeting and if so was there anything of interest that was discussed?