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Delay comments are most useful when they show the project stage, promised timing, communication trail, and whether the delay came from weather, supply, consent, subcontractors, variations, or builder management.

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Nick Scott

Platinum Homes – Hawke’s Bay We are considering building with Platinum Homes in Hawke’s Bay. Does anyone have any experience building with them or another franchise across the country? Henry has been great to deal with to date. I am especially interested in: – Quality of the final product – Adherence to budget and timelines – Communication throughout the project Thanks.
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Sanjay Bhowmick

Hello everyone: I am back after a while. I used to read comments here and also got some advice on various matters particularly when I was concerned about my build cost – on PC sums, etc – and kept heart with answers from and reading exchanges here. We went through supply disruptions, etc, and delays on various other counts. But I am here to say that our two exec townhouses build in Auckland were completed and made liveable/rentable in 2023 and I hope those posting at the time have also completed their build. We finally got out subdivided titles early this year. Our builders Indelible Homes were good. They are independent builders, Claude the owner… started small and worked hard to keep his word. We saw his builds before hiring him. Of course there were issues with the small team and some times I thought he was overstretched but Claude’s leadership got us through all of the issues. He is growing well too and doing bigger projects than single houses. He still responds for anything we need. I would recommend Claude and Indelible for a house build.
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PassiveAggressive

Maybe a bit late. Check the builders’ history on register of Licensed Building Practitioners in case they have a record of misconduct. If a builder belongs to a builders trade association (“Certified” Builders, “Master” Builders) be wary of using the trade association contracts as they are deliberately disadvantageous to the homeowner. If they don’t belong to a builders trade association ask if they have previously and if they are no longer a member of an association ask why not – in case they have breached standards of the association and been expelled.
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Jay

Sorry this may be too late…………Beware !! Wish we never started with them . Eighteen month project turned into nearly 3 years. Staff turnover at the company was terrible so had no consistency with the build and lacked attention to detail. Communication very poor.
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Mr ED

Hi JE We are also considering our Legal options for Landmark homes Christchurch for the Lack of transparency through the build Plus all the defects big and small that are still pending 4 months later. Just about every aspect of the build was flawed. For example . Changing the plans after council consent and going to different suppliers behind our backs that weren’t what we sign off on etc.
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Sally N

Hi Nick – sorry for late reply – had some issues trying to reply whilst abroad. I’m a drafty and have worked with several builders (and built with some of them) over the years – the few that I have personally built with are Greenland Homes and Peter Ray Homes – both excellent and had no problems – I have worked also with DNA Homes and Que Homes and again both reputable builders – Andy and Don at DNA are great guys and very honest, same with Justin at Que. I have also heard good things about Peter Quinn, although haven’t personally had experience. You can of course always do your own plans with a drafty or architectural designer and then get prices from more than one builder – that’s sometimes a good way to go. Anyway I would have no hesitation building with any of the above-mentioned. Good luck!
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Magnum

We are excited to welcome Mark from Pukeko Property Managers as the latest member of NZ Business Connect’s network. With over 14 years of experience in the industry, Pukeko Property Managers, founded by David Pearse, is a leader in professional and bespoke property management services across New Zealand. Mark has recently taken over the Tauranga franchise, bringing a wealth of expertise to existing property owners, new investors, and Iwi/Hapu. Pukeko Property Managers offers a unique owner-operated service. Mark personally manages each property, ensuring high accountability and a personalised touch. This structure of limited properties per franchise allows Mark to offer clients dedicated attention and a professional, tailored experience. Mark’s extensive background in building materials and construction equips him with valuable knowledge for property owners, especially those looking to buy, build, or maintain residential housing. His project management skills add another layer of value for investors interested in property development. Honesty and integrity are at the core of Mark’s approach, as he understands the significance of managing people’s homes and investments, ensuring that both owners and tenants feel secure and well-cared for. As a member of the Residential Property Managers Association (RPMA), Mark is committed to professionalism and ongoing development, staying up to date with industry standards to deliver the best service possible. With support from founder David Pearse, the first franchisee Vicky Harris, and the Pukeko Advisory Council, Mark is well-positioned to offer expert property management services, delivering peace of mind and long-term results for clients across Tauranga. Whether you’re looking for property management, to buy or build, or to explore investment opportunities, Mark from Pukeko Property Managers offers professionalism and bespoke service, making him the ideal partner for managing your assets.
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Peter Quinn

Hi That is so sad to read. Hopefully our MB will resolve this for you in a speedy timeframe and pleased you had this in place which is one positive I what appears to be an upsetting process. All the best during this difficult time
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JT

Well if you’re looking for shoddy workmanship, a mismanaged project, total lack of ownership, significant delays, cost overruns and a build eventually having to be picked up by MB then look no further than John Ross Architectural Builders (Christchurch)! The word “Architectural” Builders is an illusional step too far and is more aligned with the Tui’s advert – Yeah Right! To say the stress of the past 3 years has been significant is an understatement and we’re not finished yet as with all the issues that need to be rectified via MB we will need to vacate the house whilst the repairs are carried out (Still waiting on final quote for repairs but have been advised it’s many hundreds of thousands $$$). My husband has been recently diagnosed with Alzheimer’s and the move into the house at the end of last year, (even though it wasn’t finished but we were desperate) caused him unbelievable anxiety and stress so to have to move again is heartbreaking, but appreciate we need to to get the house to an acceptable standard and get code compliance. You’d think by paying many millions $ to this builder (Jack/John Kelleher) and MB having to pick up the mess that JRB would go quietly into hibernation but alas, to add insult to significant injury, we received another invoice from JRB for $15K plus interest a couple of weeks ago and now he’s submitted a claim through the Disputes Tribunal since we refuse to pay him another cent. Just want this nightmare to end!
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Simon

Hi Samule, I would also steer clear of Kanda homes in Pukekohe (owned by Rich Abbott), they are well known among the local sub trades to be extremely disorganized and reluctant to pay bills – often disputing work much later, months after the job. The disorganization leads to delays and extra costs to pass on. They have done quite a few jobs for their staffs friends and family which provide some good reviews but please do your due diligence if you are a new client. Their sales, marketing and social media posts are very good but make sure you look past that and talk to past customers about their experiences and if you can- talk to tradesmen that have worked for them. The Pukekohe/Paerata town is small and word/reputation spreads around the trades. good luck
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Helen S'Ville

Another negative review for Eco-Smart Homes and Ritesh Mani. If you come across these names, run for the hills. There are 2x developments in Helensville that have not been fully completed through to CCC final stage. Blatent lies and hollow promises, no communication from Eco-Smart or their lawyers, Neilsons, either. Their project manager Spiro Kovac resigned end of 2023 and there are still empty homes without final inspection or any progress. Every home has issues, from major things like no water meters installed, water pumps failing, no master builder guarantee as per contract (Google Eco-Smart vs Jenhash), to less major things like no fences or landscaping, painting incomplete, no physical keys provided for door locks, no house alarm or security lights, shoddy workmanship and plenty of poor finishing. Plenty of unpaid bills and contractual breaches. CCC applications missing tens of producer statements, some being held hostage for lack of payment which is technically illegal – but it isn’t hard to empathise with the unpaid contractor in their scenario. We’re unfortunately all in the same sinking ship when it comes to Eco-Smart. Somehow, despite the challenges completing their paying customers homes, Eco-Smart have managed to fully finish their own lot builds which are now tenanted rentals. It’s not personal, just business – funny that. Take a walk down Kawariki Rd, Taupata Lane or Rongomai St in Helensville. You’ll meet a fantastic community of neighbours who are frustrated at brunting the cost of Eco-Smart’s slimy operations. You might even bump into an owner checking up on the lack of progress before they can move in or tenant their incomplete home. They are friendly, kind and trusting people – taken advantage of and left in the dark with unconsented and incomplete homes. Beware of Eco-Smart. Beware of Ritesh Mani.
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Paul Seiler

Helen, apologies for the delay, but I can’t remember any notification that there was something to reply to. I rediscovered this site today while doing a new search. The two story SIP duplex was built Agility Builders (contact Dave Twigg on 021 028 70584) and I was delighted (with both the journey and the results). Panels were from Formance and the design from Reve Architecture. Who did you go with? I ask because I have two other two storey duplex buildings planned for the next year or two. While I will definitely take the jobs to Agility first, it is always good to have a backup. Paul.
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Chris C

Hi Sanjay, Your answer re driveway concrete makes it more clear, but still not sure whether you think 10mm or 30mm aggregate to be better. Also lots of other factors like access, inclusions (colour, shell etc), subgrade, reinforcement, finish (brushed, exposed agg etc) could affect price. I think best to get concrete layer to visit site and quote. Or you’re likely to get unexpected costs cropping up when it’s too late to argue (like before). Regarding one below, I agree with what Jane H said. You should have understood/sorted this out at Contract stage. I’ve written on this blog before suggesting the Contract is the first thing you should get sorted, before paying any money (or at least only minimal amounts, you can afford to write off to experience) for designs or anything. If you enter ctrl+F you’ll get a search box. If you enter things like PC, Provisional etc you find I’ve explained before the difference, and how they’re supposed to work. But Jane H’s link explains it quite well, the confusion that often occurs and how they’re often used incorrectly. Usually PC (Prime Cost) Sum is an amount for something like an appliance, carpets etc which is sure to be required, and where Builder puts amount for one he intends to use. But you have the option of choosing something more or less expensive, and paying accordingly. A Provisional Item is for something that may or may not be required (usually something like earthworks excavation or fill). Builder puts in (with your agreement) a reasonable guess at final cost. If not required you pay nothing. If required you pay what it costs. Whether you can demand invoices etc generally depends on the contract wording. So regarding your driveway, obviously you needed one, and presumably the area required. So normally the whole thing could have been priced at contract stage. But possibly some builders have a contract where the basic spec includes for a certain area that should generally be enough, but not enough for your case, and possibly very standard type with brushed finish plain concrete or something. So he ticked driveway for part, then put in a PC Sum so you could choose (and pay for) whatever extra area and standard you wanted. Not a totally unreasonable way of doing it, as long as all concerned understand how it works. Similarly a ticked item for quantity of Earthworks he normally included on all builds. Personally I would have made any extra earthworks a Provisional Item, if not certain it would be required. Because the amount of earthworks is something dictated by the design, ground levels and whether any unsuitable material etc has to be removed. So not something where you can ‘choose’ anything. It is what it is, and you have to pay for it. Of course you would hope all prices charged are reasonable for what was done. But often difficult to dispute if you haven’t tied things down at the beginning.
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Chris C

Hi Sanjay, I assume you’re the same Sanjay who asked about PC Sums etc. In which case you’re certainly making life/building even harder by trying to do it while overseas. And even more so when, with respect, you seem to have very limited knowledge of building contracts, and how these things work. I can’t see why you can’t call concrete layers from overseas if you get the timing right, but you could always try emails, or presumably you have someone in NZ (your Project Manager?) to call them. But when you mention a difference in cost between ‘finest’ and ‘average’ quality you’re entering a very difficult area. I doubt that many of them would offer such differences, but if they did how would you define and measure it? Or do you just think you’ll know it when you see it, and hope the builder will agree if you say it’s not up to standard? I’ve worked on Government construction jobs where all such things were defined in great detail. But the result was an overall Specification that was 50mm thick. And even then there were disputes. I guess all concrete layers would say their work is perfectly fine for a driveway. Some would be telling the truth, some would not. Unfortunately when you’ve got 15-20 cubic metres of concrete driveway going off outside your house it’s too late to argue about it. Best bet is to find someone who’s done a job you like on another house, and pay what you think is a fair price.
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KF

If anybody is even considering Sentinel Homes in Nelson/Tasman or Marlborough, please reconsider before it is too late. The owners Anna and Ruary own both Sentinel’s Nelson, Tasman & Marlborough franchise as well as Ultraspec building systems. I paid my deposit nearly 3 years ago, and have only just had my build finished now. They have thrown price increase after price increase at me as well as changing works without even consulting me. We have failed council CCC inspection 3 times (for which they blame the inspector of course). My build is very poorly finished, as well as having many errors that were not on the plans or specs at all. Ultraspec has been known to only do insurance repairs, and they should keep it that way. Please please please take it from me, avoid this company at all costs.
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Jane H

We had a bidet spray tap (hot and cold water) installed in Wellington in 2020. But it would have been consented in 2017 and it was included in the plans lodged with the council. Have the regs changed in this time? Is this something that can differ from council to council? Is it because it’s just a cold water tap? Or the type of tap itself? If you can get more information, you may be able to find a work around. I would contact the council directly and maybe even a plumber. But I would do this discretely because as you said your build is in the final stages. Builders often create difficulties in the final stages of the build, this is because they have realised by then that it’s going to be inconvenient for them to actually finish to the original agreed timeframe, cost or both. The reason I suggested making discreet enquiries is that if the work is otherwise going well, it’s best not to ruffle the builder’s feathers if you can avoid it. They can be an excitable lot and given to inventing variations, reasons something can’t be completed and/or was never included/costed in the first place when they feel under pressure in the final weeks or months.
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Chris C

Hi Sad Customer & MJ, I’ve been involved with pre-cast type work (concrete walls, beams, facing panels), but had no dealings with any of these modular, podular etc etc factory-built house companies. On the face of it they seem like a very good idea. Should have better quality control, and less impact (delay, damage etc) from weather. My impression, from TV programmes, is that they seem to be successful in Europe, even to the extent of being manufactured in one country (in the case I saw a huge, space age factory in Poland), and erected in another (the UK). It seems a real shame that this kind of thing goes so badly wrong, so often, in NZ. So I suspect no one is getting involved with them at the moment. But to overcome this issue of nearly complete structures in the factory being taken over by liquidators, when a firm goes bust, is it not possible to have a contract that says everything that has been manufactured (or materials allocated to) a particular client, shall be the property of that client, provided payment has been made by the client for the work to completed. (Or at least that you own in proportion to the total cost that you have paid). Somewhat similar to the fact that I assume you would own any work completed on your own site, provided you’ve paid in accordance with the schedule of payments. Surely there must be some form of wording that gives you the right to go in and collect what you’ve paid for. For example in this case I assume no one is disputing that Sad Customer owns the completed foundations on his/her site (or are they?). Other precedents seem to be, I believe contractors may put in contracts that plant (ie machines) and equipment remains in their ownership while on your site, and items they have installed on your site do not belong to you until you have paid for them. To paraphrase Phil & Kirsty’s TV programme, what are the three most important thing in building work, ‘The Contract, the Contract, the Contract.’ Not much use to those already suffering, but maybe food for thought to those still brave enough to venture into the shark filled waters of NZ construction.
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Sad Firstbuild Customers

We signed up to Firstbuild because it was to be built in their factory then trucked to our site. After foundations were laid we paid the as per the contract, as it was promised a fast turn around. Then Rob Thomas and Mark Holman started with the excuses for delays at the factory. Then they changed it to bases and frames in the factory and remainder to be built on site. If that had been the case from the outset the payment schedule would have been vastly different.
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MJ

Hi Marie, I’m so sorry for your loss especially in these circumstances, I have recently been through the disputes tribunal and had the builder in question have his license suspended until he retrained within a very strict timeframe, pay costs and have a permanent strike against his license The tribunal could have been harsher but I found out that my ruling was pretty severe, the tribunal don’t like to be too harsh seeing as it was they who issued the license and the ruling is timely reminder that somewhere along the line perhaps they stuffed up too. Although they will never admit it. I had a great support team that consisted of other builders and a brilliant lawyer who gave me fantastic advice and when the LBP hearing was complete, I used the ruling to help prosecute and was successful. If you want or need any advice I would be happy to talk, the LBP are not really your friend sadly but I had clever tricks up my sleeve and I would love to pass them on. Email me if you would like I’m more than happy chat. mmjenkins@zoho.com
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Veronica

Hi Tavake, The sector has taken a hit lately with some tiny home and transportable build companies going bust and leaving customers out of pocket and with no asset. My first suggestion would be to do robust due diligence on the companies you’re looking at: track record, financial strength, reputation, directors etc. The next 12 months will see more firms go under – it’s a tricky market out there. Beyond that, in no particular order: 1. Have experienced lawyer review and advise on contract. Make sure the scope and proposal is clearly set out in the contract. 2. Check progress regularly with visits to factory, take notes, take pictures. This can be difficult if they’re based far from you. 3. Get a programme and hold them to it. Make sure contract includes a due date for completion. 4. Have appropriate progress payments, allow for retentions and set the final payment sufficiently high to make it worth the while for the builder to finish the job. 5. Check they have insurance and require them to provide evidence of insurance cover. 6. Seek multiple quotes and compare. This can be tricky as they will all present them slightly differently. Ask questions, what is included/excluded. 7. Find out who the LBPs are and who the subcontractors are – next time I’d include a clause requiring this info to be shared. 8. Keep a diary of all interactions with the firm. All the best.
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Chris C

Hi Myrna, Not sure whether you just wrote as a comment, or seeking advice. But anyway I sympathise with your situation. Just a couple of questions/comments: What’s the basic house construction and design? By that I mean, is it a fairly standard brick or weatherboard veneer, with a steel or tile pitched roof that has decent eaves and normal gutters, or is it in any way a ‘plaster home’, or with something like a flat roof or with ‘internal’ gutters? If the former your problems can probably be fixed without too much expense. If the latter it is likely to be much more expensive, and may even require major renovation. Of course different branches of the PH franchise may be more or less competent and reliable. But if you use CtrlF, and enter Platinum in the search box, I’m not sure you will still be so confident the house must be of good quality. Actually hearing they were still prepared to do anything on a second hand 6 (or is it 8?) year old house is a pleasant surprise. It seems many builders in NZ would not even be around that long. But of course, not surprisingly, they didn’t actually fix it, and now they don’t want to do anything. I know skylights can look nice when they’re new, but are difficult to clean or maintain, often a source of heat loss (ie more than a well insulated ceiling), and often leak after a few years of being blasted by NZ sun and rain. Personally I think they’re best avoided. Good luck with chasing PH, but I suspect you’ll end up trying to find a decent builder to fix all the problems.
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James C

We purchased a house and land package from Stonewood Homes Tauranga in December 2020, finally moving into the house September 2022. Initially the red carpet was rolled out, however after that it was nothing short of the most stressful period of our life. Ground was not broken until the end of August 2021, after numerous requests asking when the start date was. The questions were skirted around, with the owner telling us to basically stop complaining as the land had gained value. I guess he expected us to pitch a tent on site. After the work started, we soon realised that customer communication and care was not a value they held. There were times we’d hear nothing for a month then suddenly we’d get an invoice to pay within the week. We’d have to go back each time asking for an update and what work was completed or we wouldn’t be paying the invoice. Only then would we get an email back. We were told consistently that XYZ was happening, only to then drive by and see nothing was going on. Painting was a nightmare, with Stonewood using someone who couldn’t paint a straight line or do anything to best practice. This was after asking in May 2022 what was happening with the interior colours, as no one had asked. They even forgot to order in our wardrobe (that we paid the invoice for a year earlier), as they’d assumed we were doing it. After the second project manager left, no one told us. Despite emailing the project manager and CCing in the owner to no response for weeks. Only when I messaged his wife were we told he’d resigned. Going to head office was a waste of time. They glossed over complaints, despite me detailing that more than half of our emails were going unanswered and there was no communication. This was after an agreement being reached that we’d get an update every fortnight. Heck, even when we moved in, the front door didn’t work, and it was the wrong one! Come January 2023, I contacted the sub contractor and they came and fixed it that day. Still no knowledge of when the door we paid for is actually going to be installed. Several windows had scratches in them too, with dried paint left on windows throughout the house. I could keep going on about the issues, and have spreadsheets and emails documenting their failure. Our friends and family are surprised they can even run a business like this, and others in the industry were aghast with how we were treated by both Tauranga and Head Office when I did my due diligence to make sure I wasn’t having unrealistic expectations. Reading online our project was not an isolated incident, with several customers detailing delays, lack of communication, and more issues. I’ve now used this entire project as a written case study on what not to do with communication. If anyone is considering Stonewood, I’d recommend you don’t even engage with them or Google them. Getting married and my father dying in the same month through COVID was nowhere near as stressful as this build.
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Chris C

Hi Sophia, I was hoping someone else might try answering this one, because from the wording I assume you have not built in NZ before, and probably do not have much experience of building and building contracts generally. To answer it properly would require a book (Mark, who runs this blog, can suggest some), and even then you might still get into trouble. But please make sure you do your ‘due diligence’ on this, because wrong choices can literally ruin your life. You can bring up a ‘search box’ on the blog using Ctrl F. Nothing I could see on Framoh. Versatile a few comments, some good, some not so good, but will depend on which branch of the franchise. ‘Big builder’ vs ‘Plans/smaller builder’ entirely depends on which big builder, which plans/smaller builder. Some might say former can handle everything for you, but many (of course not all) can be rip-off merchants who couldn’t organise the proverbial p..s up in a brewery. Latter can be better, assuming your plans are realistic, but again only if you choose the right one. I suggest you use the search box above, and put in words like franchise, contract, PC, Prime Cost, fixed price. Also ‘MJ’ (he has written a lot of sensible stuff), and my name, previously just ‘Chris’, and later ‘Chris C’, as I’ve also written on some of these topics before. Regarding going over a quote, please believe that most stuff you might be told about fixed price contracts will turn out to be untrue. Firstly because most contracts have ‘weasel’ clauses that allow builders to increase the price, secondly because construction is by its nature an uncertain game, and things just go wrong, but often because you will be tempted to make changes (variations) that will increase the cost. I’ve said before, that if you start a job with less than 10% of the original quote as ‘contingency’ money in the bank, then you are taking a risk you will run out of money before the job is finished. That’s just the reality of building. On that basis your friend, who ended up $70K over the quote, may not have done too badly if they got the house they wanted actually finished to a good standard. You only need to read this blog to find out many people would envy that outcome.
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Chris C

Hi Veronica, I guess the usual ways are to make the effort to go to Site yourself, get someone you trust (and who knows what to look for) to do it, or employ an expert. 9 stages at $500 is only $4500, which must be a lot less than 1% of the contract sum, so perhaps not that much for peace of mind, and the opinion of an unbiased professional if you end up in a dispute. But the builder’s offer of photos and video sounds reasonable (and of course he’s going to ‘attest’ everything is fine, or he shouldn’t be sending you an invoice), so maybe a compromise would be comparing a valuer’s report with the photos for at least the major items from drainage (important to have a record/photos of anything that’s buried, in case you get problems with it later), and foundations up to closing in and windows. To see whether you think the builder is being straight with you, and doing a reasonable job. Bearing in mind a lot of detail and possible problems can be glossed over in photos. Maybe if you establish (and the valuer thinks) you can trust the builder, you could rely on only photos later. Bear in mind that for payment the contract probably only requires stages to be ‘substantially’ complete, not 100%.
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G

Hi David, yes. leaving was the best decision. worst company to ever work for. Management have no idea how to run a business, invoices go unpaid for months and then sub-trades and other external contractors put their services on hold, which delays builds/consenting etc, constant lies to staff, lies to clients, the lower level workers are good but its all negatively impacted by the higher up’s
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Chris C

Hi Danielle, Apologies if you think it’s too late to say this. But it may avoid others getting into the same situation. The NZ Building Regs (I believe from 2014) specify certain minimum requirements for contracts worth more than $30K. So I assume that’s just about every house build contract currently operating. Among other things they are required to state the expected start and completion dates, and how to deal with any delays (it says, for example, delays as a result of ‘force majeure’ events, which implies problems genuinely outside the builders control, not just because the builder has gone to sleep on the job). I assume if your Contract does not cover these, the builder is already in breach of the regulations. However, I admit these are slightly vague requirements, and open to some argument about interpretation. But they are enough to remind any decent lawyer, that they need to be expanded and made clear enough, to minimise any later disputes about interpretation. Either by using the lawyer’s own wording, or if they have any common sense, using one of the several quite adequate standard contract forms already available. So, judging by what you say, you should now be in a position to terminate this Contract, and if it were worded correctly send a bill, or deduct from any payments due, the value of Liquidated Damages which you have suffered (to cover rent etc). I guess from your mention of ‘lawyers fees’, you got a lawyer involved after problems started arising. So it might be worth asking about whether your Contract complies with the Building Regs, and if not what recourse you have on that. But if the same lawyer was involved in writing the Contract, and yet you’re still in this mess, if it were me I would get a new lawyer immediately. And get him/her to communicate with the builder. A letter from a lawyer often produces results that an email from you does not. Good luck.
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Mark

Hi Veronica, yes these are just the facts I posted and have already been removed from Podular website and I have been blocked: Podular can you tell me what is going on? Our contract was for a unit to be delivered complete on our section within 13 weeks of starting, which means the unit should have been completed in September last year. The unit was delivered incomplete and with substantial defects on 11 January 2022, 4 months late. It has now been more than a year since the unit should have been completed, and we have not heard back from you since June, despite our lawyers also reaching out. You subcontracted our builder to fix the issues with the unit after it was delivered, but he tells us that you have not paid him for any of the work he has done since before 1 June this year. Our builder tells us he has contacted the other engineers you subcontracted, who say they are also waiting for their invoices to be paid. Rotorua-Lakes Council has also confirmed that it is waiting for payment before it will issue Code Compliance Certification. Per our contract, you should have obtained Code Compliance more than a year ago. We are unable to obtain Code Compliance from Rotorua-Lakes and Auckland Councils. Auckland is waiting on Rotorua- Lakes to issue Code Compliance before it will even consider an application. We are becoming incredibly frustrated at the lack of progress, and lack of communication with us. The main stumbling block appears to be your failure to pay invoices as they fall due. As you have been ignoring our emails, and our lawyers, we are publicly reaching out to see what is happening with our unit. Are you going to complete it, or are we going to have to finish your job ourselves?
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Chris C

Hi Dal, Thanks for giving your advice. I would add (if I need to, for anyone who would still consider using SW), that I had some dealings with one of their other branches about 6 years ago. In the end I did not build with them, because we could not agree over the Contract wording. At that time I found the Contract to be very unfavourable to the Client, in a way that I felt would be almost bound to lead to significant extra costs. As I recall, it seemed they could claim extra for delays (by Council etc) that they knew were sure to occur, by putting time periods they knew were unrealistically short. When I put this to someone who claimed to be a Project Manager, he didn’t really seem to understand his own Contract. When I asked for an example of how the clause would operate he couldn’t explain, but fell back on the old line, ‘Don’t worry, we never actually use that clause.’ But of course the Boss refused to change or delete a single line in the Contract. To be clear, they may have a different Contract form now, and a more reasonable Boss. But use caution, and as with every builder make sure you are happy with the Contract, before handing over any money you can’t afford to write off to gaining experience.
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Hi Ann, Speaking from personal experience I think the answer to this is they can’t entirely. A lot of the time (especially for subbies) it seems to work on a system of trust. Meaning that if they have experience with a builder, and trust him, then they usually expect to do the work (which may also include supplying their materials), and not get paid until later. Sometimes quite a lot later. So if a section of work designated in the Contract as justifying payment has been completed, then the Client may get an invoice and pay for it, before the subbies have been paid. It pays to listen for any hint from the subbies they are not being paid by the time they expect, and are chasing the builder for payment, as this is usually the first sign a builder may go under. Our first hints were from a specialist type directional drilling guy that we put the builder in touch with, who therefore contacted me to say his payment from the builder was overdue. Later the kitchen maker, who I often contacted directly about design details, also complained he wasn’t being paid on other jobs. In both cases lots of excuses from the builder about ‘computer banking problems’ and ‘misunderstandings’. But of course basically they were running out of liquidity to pay. Classic small builder. They can build houses OK (so you hope anyway) but can’t manage cash flow. Of course you could start phoning all the subbies and asking questions. But as I said above, it often works on trust. So by undermining that you may cause them to doubt, and stop working, or ask for money up front. Most builders don’t have the cash for that, so if you’d kept quiet they might have muddled through, but you bring about the very thing you fear. Ours collapsed about 6 months later, but when the job was 95% finished. Leaving several subbies owed money, some quite large amounts, but mainly for work on other jobs not ours. And we still had money in hand from work not yet carried out. So didn’t lose too much, and most subbies were quite helpful in finishing off. Stuff to learn from this: Keep your ear to the ground regarding any none/late payment of subbies, but be cautious about spreading it around. Make sure you’ve only paid for work that’s been done. Keep in touch, and on good terms, with subbies. You may need their help later. With current interest rate rises, and fall in property values, I think we’re soon going to see a lot more of this kind of problem. So anyone planning to build should be very careful.
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M J

Hi Glenys, I have used tradesmen who have worked for Alena homes and they all say the same thing which is that they don’t take on more work than they can handle so their builds run smoothly, they have very high standards and their work is immaculate but this comes with a price tag which is to be expected. This is only from a tradies perspective, as a client I couldn’t say but it is rare for tradies to have a good opinion as we normally only hear the negative stuff.
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Chris C

Hi Rachel, It would be unusual if a builder lets you ‘draft’ a contract entirely to your own liking, but I guess more unlikely things sometimes happen. More likely they will want you to use a contract form supplied by them. And if you’ve followed this blog for long you’ll know that many (most?) of them will be reluctant to change anything much. But anyway I suggest you start by hitting Ctrl F and putting things like ‘contract’, ‘PS’ and ‘Provisional Sum’ in the search box. When you look through the many entries that come up, it may lead you to other words to search for. Also check the Building Regulations for the minimum requirements for contracts over $30K, and the NZ Standard form of building contract. Consult an experienced lawyer, or maybe QS, if you have no experience with drafting building contracts. It can be very expensive and stressful if you get it wrong. I would advise you don’t give a builder any money, or at least no significant amount (ie more than you can afford to write off to the cost of buying experience), until you’re satisfied with the contract wording. Many builders will try to persuade you it’s something that can be sorted out later. But if you do pay money for things like concept drawings, or site surveys or investigations etc, make sure that you have a share of the copyright, and can use the information if you pull out and go with another builder.
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LM

Hello, I am hoping someone can help me with some advice I entered a build contract in Feb 2021 with a national franchise to build a simple two storey home. To date progress has been excruciatingly slow, for a long time I gave them the benefit of the doubt as the previous home on the section needed to be demolished and this relied on external contractors but now that the build is on them and they are continually failing to meet any deadlines and make promises of work timeline that aren’t met. A concrete slab was finally laid March this year and to date they haven’t yet managed to complete the wall framing almost 3 months later. I drive past other builds regularly and see must faster progress. The speed of the build is causing me financial and emotional stress but the project manager and franchise owner don’t care and believe the speed of the build is reasonable and have heavily blamed covid. They have taken all access to timelines off me and when I ask for updated timelines and expected handover date either my e-mail is ignored, they tell me that timelines are just for booking contractors or give vague approximations of a handover date. The whole situation has left me feeling completely powerless and often in tears. I don’t want to name and shame the business yet but I wouldn’t want anyone to sign a build contract with them and have to go through what I am. They have all the power in this situation and can take as long as they want to build the house. I understand covid has caused material/trade problems but the delays I am seeing seem completely unreasonable. Is there anything I can do? Thanks
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Anon - still working w them

Yes. Very frustrating process. Many changes of personnel. Have now taken delivery on site. Finish pending. Very late.
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Chris C

Hi Simon, Thanks for response. It was someone else who suggested a solicitor, but anyway interesting but depressing comments from them, and good advice, although it then puts you (and others) in a difficult position. Build now while it seems builders can do what they like, or wait. Building is a very cyclical industry, and I might turn down quite quickly, and then they’ll be going bust or begging for business. But not everyone is prepared to wait. So maybe part of the test for ‘trusting your gut’ is to try a conversation about the mortgage clause, builder being responsible for his own blunders etc, to see whether the builder actually thinks they’re fine, or admits they’re unfair, but tries some argument like ‘of course we never actually implement them that way’. If the former you know you’re in trouble if any disputes come up later (he will try to defend the indefensible), and walk away! If the latter, then ask if he’s at least prepared to confirm that in an email, so he (or his staff) can’t deny it later. Surely no reasonable builder would refuse that. In my experience getting a CCC yourself is illogical and very troublesome. The builder is in a much better position to get all the paperwork (Producer statements from subbies etc). In my view they cannot claim a house is properly finished and ready for occupation until you have a CCC, and it’s not impossible, but I think more difficult to insure, if you don’t have one. I would check with a lawyer on that, but personally I’d consider it extra money well spent to get the builder to deal with it. I think we paid about 15% margin on variations, but an on-line check indicated 20% is quite normal. I can’t see how they can justify it being on more than they actually paid for materials or work done by others. Some theoretical retail price seems quite illogical, but I guess it all depends on what it says in the contract. If it doesn’t say, then again ask them to put it in writing before you sign the contract.
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Chris C

Hi Sally, Thanks for the information. On this topic of builders ‘going under’, as you put it, I assume you mean going into liquidation. Which I believe means Liquidators will be brought in to wind up the company, and sell off the assets etc, to try to pay off any creditors (but themselves first of course!). Part of those ‘assets’ are jobs which are progress, which in theory another builder can take over to make money on. We had the same experience a few years ago, and as our builder was a Master Builder I suppose they were theoretically liable for paying out on the MB Guarantee. Which means they had an interest in trying to get another builder in to finish the jobs. So it appears the Liquidators let MB have first crack at finding new builders. I had some discussions with both the proposed new builders, and what they were offering me initially sounded quite reasonable. But in the end neither of them took over, apparently because the Liquidators wanted too much money from them for the privilege of taking the jobs! In the end I was ‘permitted’ by MB to find my own builder to finish the job. Which turned out fine in the end, albeit with a few months delayed completion. But here’s the interesting part, and the caution. A few months later one of the builders offered up by MB himself went out of business. If he’d taken over our job we’d have been in a very complicated mess. So even though a builder is proposed (recommended?) by MB, you should still check him out and do due diligence. It seems in the NZ building business there are very few you can fully trust to do a proper job.
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iCowboy

Chris, I concur. Rarity they are. Brilliant craftsman builders. Unfortunately, I have only come across “builders,” with the exception of a brilliant craftsman carpenter who’s interior finishings on boats were immaculate. Sadly he passed from an industry related illness due to poor health and safety regulations he believed he contracted as a young apprentice expected to “get it done” and unknown to him, removed contaminated material with suspected asbestos without any form of PPE. And yes. I am referring to the group building companies for the most part. What many on this forum have to take into account is NZ a nation of managers and project managers who subcontract work to builders. All the responsibility and liability now falls on builders and tradies. Inspectors responsible for signing off on restricted building work has had their concerns as well signing off on restricted building they shouldn’t. If you are planning to build, you may want to research the employee turnover rate of a group building company or building contractor on trademe, seek, or some other job hire platform. It will give you an indication of how overstretched they are. When contractors outside of Auckland and Wellington start to offer $40 plus an hour, they are desperate for staff and have overextended their resources. I suggest not to go with them, especially if they are advertising now. Contractors and recruitment agencies throw in individuals who have never worked together. Projects and your home build will suffer. You want to find a construction crew that has worked together for at least 4 to 5 home builds.
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MJ

Yes, as usual Chris you are the level headed one and I just react first and think later so sorry James if I alarmed you but I suppose the whole thing hinges on your contract as it stands now. The last build I did I got several different quotes from builders and building companies and one thing that I remember was that each had it’s own version and variations as to what constitutes a PC. Some were more confident at setting prices on certain things while others were not but not one of them was the same and the only thing that was similar, which our lawyer always found (bless him) was that the wording was vague which was intentional for many of these outfits. We asked for changes to the wording, 99% of these quotes said No, we never make changes to our standard contracts and we walked away. Simple. So if your contract has clear definitions of what they consider to be a PC then as Chris pointed out, it’s probably not a bad way to go especially given the state of building materials and transit delays etc at the moment. The issue I had (and again I apologise for not making this clearer and sounding all doomsdayish) is that this offer has only been presented to you now and by the sounds of it you are well on your way to putting in your first pile? Please correct me if I’m wrong. I see an awful lot of people become over-invested either financially or emotionally in their build before the due diligence is done, only for the terms to change at the last minute and they feel they have no choice but to say yes and keep going because they would lose too much to say no and I don’t want this amended clause to be like that for you. As Chris has said numerous times, to walk away from $5k’s worth of drawings etc because the contract is sub-par could possibly save you $50k down the line. Get your lawyer to look over it, even be the devils advocate and argue it’s pros and cons with you. I know at the end of the day $30k is a drop in the ocean compared to what you’ll eventually part with but that’s all your landscaping, fencing and perhaps decking funds so take the time to think it through. Don’t let them rush you. If they put pressure on you to accept before you can do some sums then maybe it is a little hinky? Let us know how you get on?
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Chris C

Hi Mark, Quite a lot to digest there. Probably not worth you sending me the whole contract, because it seems you’ve already got enough to raise several red flags, so me raising more won’t solve the basic problems. And I suspect reading it would spoil my day. But I congratulate you on being wise enough to look critically at the contract before handing over any money, or signing anything. It seems a lot of people get so tied up in the plans and cost, that the contract becomes a kind of afterthought. First, as a disclaimer, I must say that I am (or was) a civil engineer by profession. So I have quite a lot of experience of managing, and to some extent writing, construction contracts. So I have a good idea of what I expect to see, and don’t want to see, in building contracts. But I’m not a lawyer, and I think it may have reached a stage where you would be wise to consult one before signing anything. Having said that, before you do I have a few comments on what you’ve said so far, more or less starting from the bottom of what you wrote and working up: If you want to get an idea of what a reasonable contract looks like you could check out NZ Standard 3902:2004, or the NZ Institute Of Architects Small Works Contract. There are others available if you want to do more research. When you consult a lawyer these might help with what questions you need to ask. The last (and frankly the only) house we built in NZ was in Auckland in 2015/16, but from that experience, from various comments I’ve seen, and experience of a friend currently getting quotes, I’d say $3K/m2, for a reasonably conventional design (ie not very architectural), but with all the stuff you mention included, sounds about right. But I’m sure someone will come on here, and claim to have done it for half the price! A building contract with no provision for the Client to cancel for any reason sounds unbelievable, and I’m not even sure it’s valid in law. Of course they can try it on to see whether anyone falls for it. I didn’t read through the whole of that link you gave, but in it under Sources Of Law, CGA, I spotted ‘Parties cannot contract out of the CGA, unless they are both in trade, where they agree in writing to contract out, and it is fair and reasonable to do so.’ I assume you’re not ‘in trade’, so I can’t see how it can be fair and reasonable for you to give up all your rights under law. I suggest you also check Consumer Protection for Building Work, implied warranties under the Building Act, and minimum/implied contract requirements for building work over $30K. Why on earth would any client want to agree to the clause about the builder’s maximum liability being $130K? Obviously problems with a seriously defective building could easily cost more than that. Again, I suspect it’s not even legal in a residential contract. Similarly with the weird (and I suspect written by a builder himself) clause about negligence etc. They might get away with this in a commercial contract, but I think not in private residential construction. Possibly they can try to exclude some of the stuff about rent, accommodation and travelling expenses. But if you have a clause (which I assume you don’t) about payment to you of Liquidated Damages/per day for delayed completion, then things like rent for alternative accommodation might be one of the things taken into account in assessing that. Obviously some quite interesting technical and legal questions raised here. Maybe we’ll get lucky, and a construction lawyer will comment (free of charge of course).
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MJ

Chris C, you are the best voice on this blog. Please don’t go anywhere as everything you say is reasonable, understandable and well written and I learn something new from every single one of your posts even several years later! Thank you, your input does not go unnoticed 🙂 P.s – the reason I’ve been quiet for a while is that I am mid litigation with a dodgy building company but when it’s over (if it’s ever truly over) I will be back with a gusto to share my experiences with anyone who wants to hear it. It’s amazing that court proceedings and a great lawyer (whom I shall be referring to everyone) gives you the most brutal crash course in the building industry. I’m glad I have the knowledge now but sad I had to learn this the hard way. In my next life I shall ask for the gift of hindsight. MJ
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Chris

Hi Sara, Really sorry I am a month late in replying. I really hope for your sake it is not to late. I have posted a number of times on this site regarding my experience with Signature Homes Auck North Shore. I hope you searched the site and have seen those comments. I could write a book on all the problems I had with this franchise. It would be easier to write about the positives as there is only one. I met a couple of good tradesmen who I became friends with and they helped me ultimately fix up the dogs breakfast of a house which Signature handed over to me. Neither of these guys worked for Signature after my project. If you are a good tradesman then you generally don’t work for the franchises as they pay poorly and force you to rush through your work in order to make any money. I will bullet points some of the major issues with this franchise for you to be aware of: 1. Dishonest at every level in the organisation. 2. Project mangers who take short cuts and hide problems in order to meet imposed time frames. 3. Rip you off through high PC sums etc and ultimately cost you way over budget. 4. poor communication – have to chase numerous times for an update. 5. Slow progress. Took two years to build a simple house. I hope this helps. Chris.
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Jay P

Hi All, My wife and I have started our journey to build a house and have purchased a section Ramarama area in Auckland (Franklin). Could someone please suggest some local builders or building companies that we could begin approaching that they recommend? I have taken a month but have read each and every single post that was written and learnt a great deal. I have read all of NZS3902-2004 as well as a full master builders contract. I am well and truly shocked at the stark difference between the contracts. I also feel for all the people that have run into issues with their build and builders, I really appreciate that everyone has been able to share their story so others can learn and know what to look out for. It seems every building company I approach wants to use the master builders contract, and also is not prepared to give me a decent estimate of prices without PC/PS they just base it on m2 data and don’t want to take the time to investigate pricing without a payment. I have obtained a geotech report and a site survey/topo/contour plot to assist with pricing I have also detailed a comprehensive list of our requirements including the spec of Gib, framing, insulation, windows, cladding, etc and a rough house plan. We are interested in building a very energy efficient well insulated house, but struggle to find builders that have any concept of what thermal bridging or differences between vapor and air barriers are. Is this expertise more something that an architect deals with rather than builders? Jay
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Sanjay Bhowmick

Hi Chris Thanks for this. I will look through the NZ Standards contract for sure. The builder gave me a standard master builder contract over a year ago but everything got delayed with the resource consent and then the pandemic, etc., so we will be doing the contract process again now. I will compare before finding a lawyer. Thanks. Sanjay
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Robyn

Help get me out of this before its too late!! I recently signed up with Latitude, paid 5k had plans sorted, soil tests done. The muck around and incorrect pricing is red flag central couldnt be more red flags if it tried, I cant keep ignoring this but due to errors from them constantly i have not signed main contract! was hoping it was finished months ago but still haven’t signed the dam thing to start!! When I query anything i am met with rudeness and frankly I don’t like the owner and didn’t from day one when he showed up with no options and said what plan do you want? didn’t go through the best options , nothing but I thought ok maybe he’s good at his job and just not a people person. I haven’t signed anything further as the tacked on prices for goodness knows what are really putting me off and I cant get a reasonable answer when i ask. The initial 5k states its for the plans and soil testing. What can I do – ask for my plans or will another builder not be able to use these? ask for my soil test results? to give to another builder? there was extra surveying that needed to be done due to “issues with my damp section” will i be charged extra for this? Help please so I don’t end up more stressed than I already am and i haven’t even signed a contract to start! Im worried i have just wasted 5k for nothing.
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Vic

We recently built with Stonewood Homes in Nelson and while the quality of work by all the subcontractors has resulted in a beautiful home our dealings with Stonewood themselves was less than satisfactory. The expectations re timelines & cost vs reality did not match up and the project management was severely lacking. We had to micromanage the entire build which was both time consuming and stressful. We love our new home, it’s exactly as we planned and made happen, but we would not use the same building company again or recommend engaging in a building contract with them. Note: I cut and pasted my reply from a similar question further up the page.
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Outlander

Has anyone out there had any dealings with a firm called Thermawise, Levin, runs by Campbell Grant Senior ? They deal in the erection of Structural Insulated Panels (SIP’s) for a quick build, efficient insulation for a warm economical to run house. I have had the most horrendous time with this builder, as he has not paid the subcontractors for the work they have completed (first fix) but I have paid him and am now withholding the final payment as instructed by my lawyer. I reached an agreement with the subcontractors in that I pay them directly, but the builder objected and told the subcontractors not to continue. Happily they did not comply with his request and I have paid them for the completion of the work (second fix and all front of wall work) on the inside of the house. Unfortunately a great deal of the work that the builder has completed has been failed by the local authority, therefore I have paid another builder to rectify the fail notice work. There is one more item to complete before I can apply for another local authority CCC, but again I am at the mercy of the builder who has (10 months after the fail notice was issued) instructed his structural engineer to rectify the paperwork with an amendment. I have a builder standing by to begin work but it has been another wait as the structural engineer has not given enough information to the local authority, so another 12 weeks wasted. I have paid the Home Check to write a report for the builder, he concedes some work but contests much, even when confronted with the evidence. Now he refuses to ‘come to the table’, therefore my lawyer has met him on site and he agrees that some of his work is shoddy and does not see why he will have to pay for the work he did that has been rectified by a superior builder, nor does accept responsibility for work we paid him to have done when he pocketed the money and did not pay the subcontractors. My lawyer has now been forced to file with the district court as this has gone way beyond my budget and patience. The house is my retirement home. I have had to sell my home to pay for this (fixed term and fixed price) and I have stuck in a rental for a year, paying rent I can no longer afford. I should have been in my house in late February/early March, but here I sit, 66 years old and stressed beyond belief. To date I believe he owes me in excess of $70,000.00 and I even offered to half the debt if he would pay up, but he either will not or cannot. So to court we must go.
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MJ

Someone who dealt with Eco-Smart homes last year had a very bad experience. It seems that Eco-Smart run a sort of “Ponzi Scheme” whereby they sign you up for a house and land package that is very reasonably priced (almost too good to be true) for a house that is not built yet in a large subdivision they say they are developing. They recommend their lawyer for you to use and the contract has a date for completion that doesn’t seem unrealistic and you hand over a deposit. Eco-Smart will do this to a dozen or more people all the while your combined deposits accumulate in their account and when they have enough money they will build one house. They have no intention of honouring the completion date on your contract in fact it’s in their best interest for them not to sell the house to you because they can then legally sell the house for twice as much as what they quoted to you. This is a tactic employed by building companies that have a terrible credit rating, they will use your deposits to fund their projects and when the first house is built and then sold (not to you for the agreed price) this sale will bankroll the next house and so on and so on…. They will cling to your deposit for as long as they can by telling you every lie they can and eventually they will refund you so they have effectively borrowed money for 0% interest and for as long as they want. I don’t know if this is all legal but it’s certainly morally wrong and I would suggest you go to a lawyer that deals with contracts and see if you can get out of your contract sooner, perhaps using the fact that the lawyer they recommended has a conflict of interest? I’ve said this before but if it seems too good to be true then it probably is. There is no secret magic recipe that any one building company has over everyone else and due diligence on your part is all you have to protect yourself. Let us know how you get on please? Good luck.
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Chris C

Hi Nigel, Thanks for your thanks. I totally agree with everything you say up to about the middle of your first paragraph. But after you said ‘I have yet to build … ‘ you said some stuff that concerned me, as in my view it’s a bit misleading for those not experienced in the building business, and kind of contradictory. In your last paragraph you seem to doubt other peoples’ words that builders can do a poor job without actually being fraudulent. This of course is not true. I assume fraud is a crime, and you could get the police involved. But I doubt if many cases of poor workmanship, failure to complete on time etc, would fall into that category. Having said trying to amend contracts to make them more ‘neutral’ is just too hard, or even impossible, in your last sentence you point out that many ‘technical issues’ (by which I assume you mean things like poor workmanship, arbitrary changes to design/materials, extra costs for variations etc) happen because the contract either does not prevent them, or does not give the client enough power to demand that the builder put things right. So you have given a very good reason why anyone going into a build cannot afford to accept it, when a builder says an unfair or biased contract cannot be changed. If they say that then in my view they are the wrong builder for you. I’ve spent much of my career writing and supervising major construction contracts, and I agree that many NZ building contracts can be understood by most reasonably intelligent people. But the problem is that many of those people ‘don’t know what they don’t know’ as the saying goes. Understanding it is one thing. Knowing what’s not in it that should be, and knowing what may lead to trouble later, is something else. I’ve written about this in this blog before. You should look at the builder’s contract before you pay them any money for anything, and if they’re not open to making changes (of things you or your lawyer think are unfair, or have been omitted) then walk away. I believe there are standard minimum requirements for a NZ building contract over $30K, but it’s worth looking at NZS3902:2004 (Standard Building Contract) for an example of the kind of thing you should be looking for, although I know there are other standard forms that some people recommend.
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Rich

I trawled through this site prior to building in Tauranga and promised myself I’d post about my experience. We built an investment property with Navigation Homes Tauranga (BOP), and we’re just waiting for the official Code of Compliance from the council after doing the final walkthrough on Friday last week. We used Ian and John at NewBuild for the finance. Both businesses were really good to deal with. Simon at Navigation was very patient and understanding, and along with Dean the site supervisor they did a great job of keeping us updated on progress using an online system called co-construct which contained and documented everything to do with the build. Photos were uploaded roughly every week and kept our mind at ease. We had lockdown early in the piece but they were back on site and progressing things almost straight away. The final product feels really good quality wise and they have kept their word on things we discussed, and seemed to always be thinking ahead to make sure things ran smoothly. They’re now doing some final touch ups and other bits and pieces to finish it all off, which I’m sure will be taken care of in a similar manner. NewBuild helped to ‘project manage’ the finance including making sure we were covered in case something went wrong (Master Builders Guarantee) and structuring the finance conditions in the build contract to be bank friendly (using Sovereign / AIA). This ensured the relationship between the bank, builder and us was kept on track with regards to timelines and making payment. It made it really easy. Everyone is after a builder they can trust and if our experience is anything to go by, I’d have no hesitation in recommending Simon and his team at Navigation to other people, particularly if NewBuild were running the finance side as well. Hope that helps someone.
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Michelle

Hi there, I am looking for feedback on Heritage Homes, Advantage Build, Nook and Podular, the later three being transportable. Any feedback welcome. Thanks
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Ellen

HI there Has anyone here built with Golden Homes in Tauranga? How did you find the process? Were there any unexpected costs? How were they to work with? Quality and did the build get completed in time? What was your given timeframe? Thanks
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Chris C

Hi Sarah, I’ve mentioned before on this blog (but not many people seem to see it), that in the notes at the top it suggests that if you want to check on a particular company name (or other topic) just click ctrl-F, and fill in the name in the search box at the top right-hand side. It will highlight it throughout the blog. There are quite a few references to Jalcon, some good, some not so good. But please note that they are a franchise builder, and there lots of comments on the blog (mostly negative) about using those. We went quite far in the process of building with them in the SE Auckland area. But did not in the end, because we decided we didn’t like the location our section was in, so we sold it. Their plans were quite good, and things looked promising regarding price. But we (my wife especially) felt the salesman was a bit too pushy. And certainly he was fond of saying things like, ‘We can easily build that (eg stone garden wall and gates) for $10-15K.’ But later when asked to give a specific quote based on a drawing it became $40-50K.’ So if you do go with them make sure you tie down the costs based on exact details, don’t just accept rough estimates or provisional sums for how much something will cost. That applies to all builders of course, unless you have a good relationship with them, and real experience that you can trust their estimates.
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Chris C

Hi MJ, I’d like to come in on this one again. All good questions about how many qualified/skilled builders will be working on the job, or at least how often they will visit the site. Perhaps a bit difficult to pin down in the contract. I guess you could ask the builder to name the people they intend to use. The good/honest ones will tell you the truth. The others will always have some excuse as to why their promise is no longer possible (he resigned, got sick, too busy etc etc). I think this is where due diligence comes in again, and the need to look at as many of the builder’s previous builds as possible, and talk to previous or current clients, to judge whether the standard of workmanship is acceptable to you. Regarding the point about sub-contractors, I guess virtually all NZ builders use them for some or all of various specialist jobs like excavation, concreting, drainage, roofing, joinery, electrical, plumbing, kitchens, tiling, bricklaying, flooring, painting etc etc. And in some ways that’s a good thing, because each subbie should be more skilled at his trade than a general builder. But the essential thing is that every contract should contain a clause to make it clear that the main builder (ie the one you sign the contract with) is contractually entirely responsible for all aspects of the subbie’s work (giving instructions, providing necessary access and assistance, workmanship, progress/delays, payments etc) as though it were his own workers. Take no excuses that this is in some way ‘unfair’ on the builder. It’s their choice to use a subbie, so they need to choose them wisely. Any builder who thinks it’s too hard on them has no experience of how the building industry is supposed to function in the real world. It follows from this that the client should resist the temptation to get involved in any discussions with a subbie (or in fact any worker on the site) that might be interpreted as giving them an instruction, especially one that might be considered a Variation. All instructions should be given by the builder’s Project Manager, so the builder is fully responsible for everything that happens on the site.
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MJ

Aside from the contractual and PC sums issues it would be nice for Colleen to comment on the physical building side of their franchise. Such as, will there be one dedicated licensed builder on each build that regularly visits and overseas the build and is this the person the same one who will sign off the Record of Works? If this licensed builder is to supervise restricted building work and not do this work themselves then the question needs to be asked how often will they visit the site? Many franchise companies only have one licensed builder on their books and if you have several builds on the go at the same time often the visits are not frequent enough and in my experience, one you have a problem or the workmanship is poor, it takes more money and time to find and rectify the problem if it’s not caught early on in the process which will delay the whole build and potentially end up costing the client more money. Will you be using stubbies, and if so who will they be and what will they be doing? Who do they answer to if their work is incorrect or substandard? How many hammer hands vs skilled builders (not necessarily licensed builders) will be allocated to each build? Again, many franchises try to keep their costs down by using mainly hammer hands who are cheaper to employ and the end result is often very poor workmanship which is harder for the client to seek remedial work or costs for as each franchise has their own interpretation of what good workmanship is and arguing this costs thousands in legal fees if you should find yourself in this position. The LBPB and the Council will not help you should it come to defining poor workmanship so supervision and accountability are all the client has to safeguard themselves against this. I think we will all be waiting with baited breath for her reply to all our questions.
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Sam

Sounds like a ponzi scheme,unfortunately most lawyers will tell you not to sign the builders agreement as they are so heavily biased towards the builder to the extent of being unfair contracts,what do you do when they all have the same tactics. I signed an agreement with a “luxury house builder” for a one year contract to build our home,$100,000 deposit.Eight months in they hadn’t even started the project,they were just using the money to fund their show homes etc.As for groups like masterbuilders they are nothing more than a marketing tool. They count on the fact that any legal action takes some time to action and the cost is considerable. The LBP is usually the builder,they then employ the cheapest labour they can find skilled or not and hope for the best. The quality of the builders was atrocious they couldn’t even cut a straight line which is basic building competence. It is a very unregulated industry and they are very well aware of it. Ultimately word gets around through sites such as this,there are good builders that have some integrity and pride of work ,finding the right one is the minefield.
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Kelly

Hi Glen, MJ makes alot of really valid points. You have sought info on this website for a reason, whilst its easy to get caught up in the excitement of a build its easy to think “that or this wont happen to me” “Not everyone has a bad build experience”. I totally agree dont be fooled by logo/membership promoting. Belonging to any of these building organisations does mean diddly squat these days. Think seriously on the advice of people who have been through the process of dealing with these organisations when things go pear shaped just with their members alone. Something to consider if you are looking or thinking about taking out their insurance policy, These building organisations are unregulated and are membership organisations first and only. Put it this way,,, you are always going to have a fight on your hands with any insurance company when filing a claim, the bigger the claim the harder the fight, it can get nasty. If the builder does dangle his organisations own products in your face be careful, why make it 10 times worse for yourself by signing an insurance contract with an organisation whose first priority is to defend/back their members, and more importantly check who is backing the guarantee, credit ratings, no invested interest or conflicts etc, you should do that with any insurance product. I strongly advise you seek an independent insurance provider not connected if they approach you with the masterbuild guarantee/contracts etc and ALWAYS run things past a reputable building lawyer before signing anything.
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MJ

Go to the LBP website https://lbp.ewr.govt.nz/publicregister/search.aspx They have a register of all licensed builders on it and if he’s ever been disciplined it will show up under his name. I tried searching Kit Markin but got no results so he’s either registered under another name or that’s not the correct spelling of his name but if you can get his LBP number it should come up with him using that. Keep in mind though that it takes several months, even a year for any hearing to go through the LBP Board so if he’s got a current complaint hearing pending, it won’t tell you this, they only publish the info once the hearing is complete and a decision is made. If nothing shows up, that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a good builder though as the LBP Board use bullying tactics to get the home owners to drop their cases (we are one of these unfortunate people) so keep researching. Ask him for addresses and contact info for the last 3 or 4 houses he’s done and call them yourself don’t trust any testimonials written on his website as these are easily fabricated, same goes for any “show homes” he may have as these may look great but that doesn’t mean yours will be or that he’s an honest person to work with. If he won’t give you the info that should ring alarm bells. Also before you spend any time and money getting specs and drawings done etc, ask for a copy of his contract and find a very good lawyer who deals with construction contracts to take a look at it. If the contract is found biased towards the builder and he won’t agree to any changes to it, then that should ring even more alarm bells. You may spend $500-$1000 for a good lawyer to look over the contract but it may save you tens of thousands later on but if you get contact names and numbers for his previous clients and visit the homes if you can then these two exercises should perhaps tell you everything you need to know. I really would visit the houses in person too as it has been know for builders to give names and numbers of family and friends to give a glowing review over the phone but if you can’t see the actual work he’s done then the exercise is pointless and you’ll never know if what they said was true at all. I know I sound a little “doomsday-ish” but really when you think about it you wouldn’t buy a car without getting all the checks, reports and taking it for a test drive and building a house is no different but infinitely more expensive so due diligence really needs to be set at maximum. Any building work that exceeds $40k must have a contract in place, that is the law anything less than this amount can still have a contract in place if both parties agree. This website is a godsend of info, read as much of the posts as you can this should give you a clearer idea of what to look out for. Good luck and keep us posted on what you find!
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Dandy

What’s the latest with the Mass Construction mess? What’s going on our there? Has head office come to the party and getting houses completed. Or is it still a shamble like I suspect. Is Jason strange still in hiding? I’d love to know as an ex client of theirs.
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M&M Jenkins in Morrinsville

We’ve used Rob May Builders in Cambridge before and they were great. It was about ten years ago now but the owner was very involved and he was a good, honest builder and I have noticed his signage up all over Cambridge at the moment, he built the brand new Te Awa Lifecare village which looks fabulous so I would definitely recommend giving them a call. Unfortunately we’ve found that if they are good then chances are there is quite a lengthy wait involved for their services but good builders are in such short supply that it shouldn’t really be much of a surprise, and a bad builder might fit you in 6 months earlier only to find you’re still waiting for them to complete minor remedial work 6 years later. Good luck!
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Sally

Hi CG, sorry for the delay, have been away. We have built 6 houses so far through Greenland. Husband is a subbie and we were so impressed with Sean and his builds and price that we have built speccies with him. We are also going to build our next family home in Prestons with him and our best friends built their house with him as well.Some other builders I would recommend in Christchurch apart from Sean are McStay Builders, Peter Ray, DNA Structures.
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Chris M

Hi Sean, sorry for the delay in replying. Yes we went with Greenhomes and are around three weeks from completion. The build has gone well, although we are a bit behind due to the normal raft of schedule changes, issues etc that seem to come with a build. I think there has been more to the build than we all expected but the result is turning into a fantastic house that is more than we hoped for. Our project manager is great and has gone far beyond what many would to make sure that things get done the right way. Greenhomes themselves have a great team and are quick to respond to queries and keep us updated. We spent a long time refining the build details before signing up but as with any build there were things we forgot or wanted to change and Greenhomes had no issues sorting these out for us. If I could upload pictures I would to show how well the house is being completed and how tidy the site has been kept. Thanks Chris
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Chris

Hi Brenda, I’ve written on the subject of Prime Cost (PC) and Provisional Sums/Quantities before, so I’ll try to keep this brief. There is nothing wrong or dishonest in principle about the use of PC sums, if they’re used in the correct sense. In fact in theory they should be to the benefit of the client, because they should be used for things like kitchens, carpets, electrical appliances etc. So a sum is allowed for a ‘reasonable’ or average standard or quality, but the client can choose to pay more (or less) for something of a higher or lower standard or quality. So you have flexibility, rather than being forced to take only the one chosen by the builder. But of course this means you must do your homework, and find out before signing the Contract what you’re going to get for the amount allowed. The point is, it should be the client who gets to choose whether to pay more. Where these can be used to take advantage of naive clients is if the client lets the builder put in a PC sum for example for something like electrical work, and the client takes the builder’s word that this is adequate. Then later the client realises it’s only enough for say one light and one power outlet in each room. Enough in theory, but of course not what the client was expecting! But I think you may be referring to Provisional Sums (often mistakenly referred to by people in the building trade as PC sums, because they’re builders, not experts in contract law). These should only be used for things like earthworks and foundations, where the quantity (and therefore cost) cannot be exactly predicted until the work starts, and the engineer/Council have assessed the situation. Of course if you sign the final contract before the detailed design has been finalised, and Building Consent obtained etc, then the number of things that genuinely fall into the category of unknown, and therefore difficult to accurately cost, may be much higher. At the end of the day, the more accurately and completely the soil conditions are investigated (a truism in construction, money spent on site investigation is never wasted), and the building designed, and the more questions the client asks, the more likely you are to complete within your expected budget. Having said all that, even major government projects, designed and supervised by professional engineers, (with specifications and drawings 50mm thick) often have a 10% contingency allowance for unforeseen costs. So in my opinion any client who starts a build without having at least 110% of the contract price available is taking a great risk.
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Chris

Hi A Smith (real name?), Based on my own experience, while looking into using several different builders (both big name franchise and other) while planning a personal house new build, I definitely agree that many building contracts used in NZ are poorly written and/or biased in favour of the builder to an unacceptable degree. In one case the builder’s own contracts manager could not explain to me how and when a particular clause (involving extra payment if Council consent was delayed) would actually be used. ‘But don’t worry, we never apply it.’ he said. So I said, ‘In that case we can delete it.’ ‘Oh, no, the company owner won’t change anything in the contract wording.’ End of discussion. I spent my career, both overseas and in NZ, as a civil engineer, which frequently involved both interpreting and writing contract documents. Building contracts can vary quite a bit in the details of their wording, but I know what fundamentals should and should not be included. It’s not difficult to get an idea of what those are, by looking at something like the NZ Institute Of Architects Standard Conditions Of Contract, although unfortunately those can only be used if you actually have someone in the role of Architect to administer the Contract. So not really suitable as they stand for use by the majority of people who look at this blog. There are other quite well written forms of contract available, but most builders you approach will not want to use them. So you may be left with trying to make use of the form the builder generally uses. I’ve written some of this on this blog before. In my opinion: -The first thing you should look at (before any money changes hands) is their contract document, and ask whether they’re open to at least considering any kind of change if your lawyer recommends it. If they won’t show it to you, or say no changes are allowed, walk away. -Get someone who knows what they’re doing to vet it. Most solicitors will claim they know how to do that, but believe me many do not. You need a specialist in that area of law. -If you ask for changes to the document which the lawyer says are reasonable, and no compromise wording can be achieved, then walk away. -Be very doubtful if a builder tells you don’t worry, we’ve used this form of contract many times before, and never had any problems. No problems for them possibly, but maybe lots of problems for their clients.
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Dave

Platinum in the naki are ok if you are into a bit a diy. they will bild a house with a pile of problems so that looks like it is 20 years old so you can spend your weekends fixing it up like a diy show. Its kind of fun as it is double glazed and insulated so you dont have to wurry about that stuff but most other things will need to be redun. Weve restored a lot of classic cars so we enjoy it. The franchise supports us in our efforts by not returning phone calls emails and cross the street when they spot us so we are wholeheartedly alone to do our diy without interruptions. Platinum homes. Building new homes just like the old one you grew up in.
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CS

This is my personal opinion and review on GJ Gardner Christchurch South (JNF construction), and might not reflect their code of practice. Pro 1) The sales consultant I deal with is good and awesome and able to answer most if not all questions that I have. Cons 1) Feel a bit pushy in signing ATP and build contract 2) They try to sell the standard floor plan as they have agreement with supplier to get materials for 20 – 30 builds per year per standard floor plan they have (I was told so). If you decide to go with custom floor plan, it costs at least 20k higher for the similar floor area. 3) The build price per square metre is really based on very low spec; for example, a) the kitchen appliance in express spec is based on Haier kitchen appliances, which is usually 2k less than fisher and paykel kitcken appliance, or 4 k less than Bosch kitcken appliance by most building companies b) approximately 4% of build price is to HQ, and 2.5% sales commission, and overhead cost for QS, color consultant, sales consultant, which is over 30k on non-building related cost for a 400k build. c) The standard build price doesn’t include heat pump, patio, landscaping, vehicle crossing and only include 22oz carpet (most building companies offer 33oz and above with good quality underlay) d) Hip roof (no gable) to minimize build cost e) I was constantly told that they got the materials in bulk from supplier, hence the cheaper price. I agreed that they got good price from supplier but unfortunately I personally don’t think the saving is passed to the client. The saving is contributed to their profit margin. f) no joinery for wardrobe or shelving When I use the same floor plan and compare it to other building companies (apple-to-apple) for each item in specification list, the quote for a standard floor plan (4bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, 2 living) using express spec by GJ costs approximately 30-70k higher compared to other building companies (GJ quotes me 385k but other companies can do 330k-340k yet the spec from other company is higher). When I first decided to use GJ, the main reason is the Halo insurance backed by Lloyd to cover company insolvency. However, this cover is now removed by Halo insurance. If you are looking to build a very basic house with a low spec and above average build price, I would say GJ is the one to go with. Otherwise, I would recommend the following in Christchurch: Jennian, Onyx, Quinn Homes, Faye Homes, Master Ace, or other local builders.
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Melanie Jenkins

Oh well that’s ok then because at least we still have Registered Master Builders to look out for the consumer (said with all the sarcasm I can muster because we all know they’re as helpful as tits on a bull) but I do agree with the payment schedule part, don’t hand over anything until you are sure they’ve done the work properly. The problem with this is that how are we (the consumer) supposed to know if the job is done properly or not? Most of us don’t have any building knowledge and although the council come in and sign stuff off at certain intervals we can’t expect them to pull up the builder on things that don’t relate to their inspections at the time. We had to pay a third party who had all the accreditation under the sun, to come and put together a full report on what was wrong with our shed, and that cost us $1500. A small price to pay I know but unfortunately that was after we handed over majority of the money for our build and now we have to fight to claw some of it back. How do we effectively set the benchmark for the building work if a payment plan is set? And who oversees it? Clearly you can’t trust the builder as they’ll say whatever they need to in order to get they’re hands on your cash and the council are only partially responsible for certain areas of your build, any ideas anyone?
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Howard David Wilson

My first names are Howard David. I worked for Allan for two years. He refused to pay me the commission as agreed to in my contract. I am not bitter. I do not trust him. I cannot recommend him. It is what it is. He is what he is. When we met to discuss the “misunderstanding” Allan stated what he also sent me in a letter: “Accept his offer” (of less than half of what was due) “or you cannot continue working here.” At the time I had around $7 million in contracts lining up, of which I contracted over $5million before leaving 8 months later. He was using that future commission as leverage: Take his measly offer or walk away from all the commission I had been working towards for 12-18 months. I was not given the opportunity to reject the offer. I was told “this is sorted now, or you are no longer welcome”. So I took the offer. We did not shake hands. I then asked for the full amount owed several more times – long before looking for another position and finally leaving. Apart from briefly here and on Allan’s local Botany office Google maps/review page I have not made any statements publicly about Allan or his business. And yes, I moved to a great business that has integrity and looks after its clients and its people better than most. And we build way better houses. It takes a lot of money to build a quality home. I need to trust my builder before giving him that much of my money. That’s why I left Allan Moore’s business.
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Allan Moore

Good afternoon. Howard also goes by the name of David Wilson. David/Howard worked for us for a couple of years but now works for another building company. David/Howard left unhappy as a result of a misunderstanding relating to some homes sold in a development. We met and discussed the issue and agreed on a resolution to the issue which we shook hands on. Several months later, after completing several sales with my support and obtaining an offer of employment from another home builder, he decided to renege on the agreement and demanded we pay him what he thought he was owed. We always paid David/Howard everything he was owed on time before and after this misunderstanding arose. David/Howard is a bitter ex-contractor who now works in competition to us and takes every opportunity to disparage us and our business. I invite anybody who is interested in understanding further the reason for David/Howards comments to contact me directly. Regards Allan Moore Signature Homes Botany
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Transparent to the Max

Being in construction all my life I having sold multiple products in the industry and dealt with many building companies throughout. I am disgusted with the amount of shoddy building work that is being performed in our industry and the attitudes towards customers. It is crippling our industry and reflecting badly on the good ones striving for best business practice. It is a minefield of stress and worry for most people building and/or renovating and getting the right fit as a provider is paramount plus its nearly always the biggest amount of monetary investment made in most peoples lives. The public need to do their due diligence and I mean do their due diligence. Point 1 – we have just completed a build addition and renovation and the two other providers were nearly $400K above us (yes, $400K) and we didn’t cut corners and have made good coin and thats because we have good process, a great team and we pick the right sustainable jobs to build our business. Building does have a right price point but cheap is not always the way to go. Cheap comes with a low quality finish. You need to tick off all the boxes for supply, communication, follow through, personalities and robust business ethics. Contract contract contract limiting the likes of variations or where there are to be variations a set margin added. Point 2 – People think they can manage a build. Some might but some are just plain kidding themselves, want to supply items but don’t realise the ramifications on delays, wrong product and then expect builders to sit and wait whilst not charging for time. This is unethical and not good business practice and any builder who is prepared to do this will not be in business in future and as such you have no warranty comeback. Point 3 – selecting an lbp does not get you the right supply partner. An lbp can be anyone that is a builder but hasn’t done roofing, hasn’t installed windows, hasn’t laid flooring, hasn’t done foundations, has never built a complete residential dwelling from ground up. And people are selecting a builder just because they are an lbp not knowing this. Did you know that most group home builders use contract builders in their businesses and those same contract builders hold the lbp licence for future issues, not the group home builder. Most of these group home builders pay low rates to their contractors and that is why we have so many shonky workmanship comments on this site. Point 4 – there are companies out there marketing renovation franchises specifically detailing they don’t want builders in the business. This is a major issue for NZ going forward and the overheads for any franchise company are huge with franchise fees you pay for a build starting around the 5% mark upwards and all that goes into head office coffers. All I can say is that our industry is amok with disreputable and greedy companies who are not there for a win/win but just to take your hard earned cash and ce la vie so this brings me to my final comment. Do your due diligence, ask them what builds they are currently doing (minimum of 5) ask for referrals you can physically visit and demand to go to the ones of your choosing. Do not take their offered selections. Go to some of their suppliers and ask them what the business is like to deal with and if they are current in trading terms. This will give you a good indication of who you are signing up with and give you some perspective on what they are like. Sales people from most build companies don’t know anything but basics in building and will promise you the earth to get you to sign up and make that deposit. Then you are a captured customer and on the path of no return when the build cost climbs and the variations kick in. Diligence is paramount people PARAMOUNT !!!
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James

Latest news is that Jason Strange has left the country. The weak coward that he is, lying and ripping people off for years. Platinum NZ just as much to blame as all the signs have been there for years and they did nothing. Shaun Riley CEO has left as well, says enough. Only after one thing and that is filling their own pockets. New CEO in place, he will have a difficult job to repair the damage that has been done for years by these incompetent rats.
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LM

Have you seen Fair Go’s latest post? They are doing a building company special… check out their Facebook page ! If enough people write in about BCL we might finally be heard!
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B

Hi D, please can you provide me with your email as I would like to have a discussion with you. Very sorry to hear about your situation and the difficulties you and your late wife went through. I am currently going through a battle with Platinum Homes and it may be beneficial for us both to have a discussion. Regards.
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D

Hi Regan, I know the franchises are owned by different people BUT there appears to be a culture of grabbing money and not giving a damn at Platinum Homes that I would be very wary of. I entered into a contract with Platinum Homes it the Central North Island to build a home 31 months ago and it is still thwart with problems from shoddy building practices. It took 18 months to actually get possession of the home. I was initially told that he would have the home up in 6 months. My wife had metastatic breast cancer and the house was to be her sanctuary for the cancer battle. Our battle was less with cancer and more with the builder who allegedly took on 25 builds in the year ( fine if he had the trades to do so but he didn’t so he would just do a little work here; a little work there and not care about the deadlines and experiences of his clients). He allegedly was late for many of his clients. My wife became despondent …..with the build, with our hope, with cancer and then with life. She killed herself in May of last year; the house was ” finished” in July. Too late for her and nightmare for me. The builder was well aware of her illness when he took the build on. He promised me that he would pull out all stops to get it finished ASAP. He would even “put on his own tool belt”. They are the most despicable, disrespectful people. I wrote to their head office and received NOTHING back. Not a thing. If you have another builder option where you live I would recommend you take your business there. In my experience, this group of builders have no respect for their clients. I am going to provide media with the story as I think people need to know what they may be getting into with these builders. People need to know what to look for in their contracts; the warning signs of builder deceit. More importantly, we need to help fellow kiwi’s weed out the cowboys from this problematic trade. Good luck
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Susan

It may be too late but please don’t use Versatile. I am building my first home with them. One bedroom unit on flat ground already 9 months overdue and mistake after mistake. Deeply regret choosing them.
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Susan

It may be too late but please don’t use Versatile. I am building my first home with them. One bedroom unit on flat ground already 9 months overdue and mistake after mistake. Deeply regret choosing them.
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Janine and martin green

We recently had a terrible experience with latitude homes hawkes bay. Please don’t use them! Debbie the owner is unprofessional and worse customer service ever. They don’t seem to understand the variation process. We thought we had been very thorough in our specs and drawings and every turn they added money or delivered anything but what we had specified with excuses at every turn. We went over time and budget and still didn’t get what we wanted. The final product was rubbish. We went to lawyers but latitude homes didn’t seem to care and didn’t comply. We have now found two other couples in our small neighbourhood who have the same problems recently. We’ve had issues with costs for site works and foundations. Windows and doors arriving too large so the builder hacked away at the framing to get them to fit then made the holes too large and used extensive amounts of expanding foam to just fill gaps. They installed sliding doors that weren’t the ones we asked for then made us pay for new ones. We still have a double bed sitting in our hallway as they made the hallway unusually narrow and used narrow doors. We now cant fit a standard bed in to a 4mt by 5mt room! to be honest we didn’t think to even check. Terrible paint finish we still have holes in our walls where the electrician has moved plug sockets even though we moved in in October last year. Trying to get anything remedied has been a nightmare. Weve sent lawyers letters but they just don’t listen. We are not sure what else to do. We have concrete patios that are uneven and rough and multiple colors. The list goes on. The head office seems to have no control over the other franchises so these sorts of companies are terrible to work with. One piece of advice would be don’t go with a group type builder. In this case it seems latitude homes is just a logo that any ‘builder’ can buy and head office have no control over quality or if things going wrong. The business owner is unprofessional and extremely defensive as the builder is her son. Her son was often rude to us and had terrible time management often showing up to site in the late afternoon and then rushing to get things done leaving a un satisfactory result. In our opinion he was too young and inexperienced and if we had met him prior we would of cut our losses. We’ve built before and know the process and the two companies couldn’t have been any more different. Debbie at latitude homes is terrible to deal with and seems to have no process for anything. On our final inspection she showed up with no paper work and kept denying being able to see any issues. She took a scrap paper out of her handbag to write things on. It’s ridiculous. They kept using different contractors as they burn bridges and contractors don’t want to work with them. Then when work isn’t to standard we just get left with the mess or an additional bill. If you want to speak to us please contact me or reply to this message. Small claims court looks like our only other option.
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David

Yes, agree. We had a similar figure on our first build in Wellington, and in the scheme of things this is small, there were changes to layout that were not originally envisaged. You should have a budget of, in my experience, 4-5% sitting to the side as a contingency even on fixed price contracts for these types of eventualities (and for the inevitable nice-to-have upgrades you may want later, plus curtains and landscaping).
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David

Spoiler Alert: If you believe a Master Builder is actually giving you a “fixed price contract”, you are probably wrong. We have spent the last 2 months “dating” A1 Homes. We found a plan that could work, with a few revisions, and agreed specs down to the taps and window latches. We have built before, so know exactly what we want, and they provided a fixed price estimate (crucially, not a quote) to our specs. It seemed like a fair price so we were keen to continue. They then said we would need to spend $3,000 on drawings and colour consultants before they could give us an actual fixed price quote. That is a lot of money – we have previously had quotes done on concept drawings that cost us $1,500 and $1,955 respectively. Eventually we came round to the idea, but we asked to see the contract they intended to use before we forked over $3,000. That’s when it got hairy. A1 presented us with a “standard” Registered Master Builders Association contract. The problem is that Clause 46 of the contract (2018 edition) specifically allows the builder to charge us more if ANY aspect of the build turns out to be pricier than the fixed price quote. i.e. it directly contradicts the claim of a fixed price quote. Further, Clause 101 of the contract (which has grown by about 60 clauses since we last built, practically all of them skewed toward the builder), specifically allows for a situation where A1 is building for Mrs Smith down the road and if that gets delayed, they can delay your start and end date. And with Clause 46 locking in their ability to on-charge any costs that might arise because prices rose since they gave you a not-fixed fixed price quote, they’ve ensured whatever their project management skills, you will pick up the tab. Oh and by the way, they have your deposit of 5% while they retain the right to delay indefinitely while they finish Mrs Smith’s project. We queried these 2 clauses and a couple of others. A1’s response was simply that they don’t ever change clauses. They had no answer for my question of how they could claim they offered a fixed price contract when it wasn’t. They said they hadn’t charged more than the fixed price on the 2 years they had used the contract, which frankly didn’t give me enough peace of mind to hand them $500K on the back of a contract that still says they can crank up the price at any time. I spoke to a Director of Master Build Services who confirmed there was nothing stopping them deleting irrelevant clauses in the contract; A1 was simply choosing not to. In the end, we were not willing to risk our money on a “no surprises guarantee” that isn’t any guarantee at all and could potentially hold a very nasty surprise. We suggest you give this a lot of thought and question whoever you build with if they have the same wide-open clauses in the contract.
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Daniel

Hi all, would very much appreciate any response from those who have purchased a Keith Hay home with ‘shadowclad’ cladding. We are looking at purchasing a property that has the Keith Hay ‘Raglan’ showhome model on the site, finished in shadowclad board and batten. The home is just under 2 years old. I was concerned to hear that Carter Holt Harvey is the subject of a class action over the shadowclad product. Should I be worried – is there really a bigger issue with the cladding, or is it just limited to isolated cases? The cladding looks to be in conditiona tthis point, with no visible warping. Thanks heaps.
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Keith Barnett

Hi, planning on building in Ohauiti, Tauranga later this year. Looking for any recommendations or red flags for builders in this area. Regards, Keith.
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Chris

Hi Sean, yes we have gone with Green Homes. The process sped up but then we delayed things as we decided to make a couple of changes and to make sure we had every thing in the build quote that we wanted. We now have a fixed price build contract that includes everything up front. We are now just waiting for the final drawings to so that the plans can go to council for consent. Xmas got in the way but it has meant we have been able to have some time off from concentrating on the build and have relaxed. We are hoping to begin building late Feb so it will be all go then.
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Pritty kelleway

Sorry, I guess I am a bit too late. I have just signed in with a house and land package with a company without checking elsewhere. I am very new to the building things. Can you help me out as I am having great difficulty to understand where the value in the house. The building coming will not give me a break down of the cost. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Matthew Collingwood

One of the WORST experiences of my life…. Around October last year we signed with Baillie Construction in Palmerston North for a house and land package in Bulls. We were promised to have a start date of January 2018. We were all ready and set to go in January but Lee Baillie was not. We asked if we gave him $9000 that it would speed up the process and that money would be put towards plans. In June 2018 we had made little progress on the plans. We decided to end the contract around a year later because nothing had been done towards the build. Lee would not give us our full deposit back. We then had to enter a claim to the small claims tribunal just to get the matter settled. We are now Building with another company who are immensely better. I have not recommended Baillie Construction to anyone. Feel free to ask me any questions.
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Matt

Also in the same boat – signed a build contract last November and still looking at a piece of slab. Massive delays, false promises, terrible communication, rumours of rifts between them and their contractors (some not being paid so refusing to do further work). In too deep at this stage and must now wait for completion. Their build contract covers their arses for EVERYTHING.
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Kerryn

Hi Neville The difference between attic trusses and standard trusses are that attic trusses have “beefed up” bottom beams so that they can handle load on top of them as an attic floor essentially. Also the beams going through from top to bottom have to change so that it can create an open area where as standard trusses criss cross and have no space in between for an open area to call an attic. If you stipulate there is going to be an attic area in your roof then any council will require the attic trusses be used in order for your attic to not fall through the ceiling in years to come after you’ve stored a life times worth of stuff in the attic. Its basically like building a 2 storey house, you wouldnt expect the ceiling to be standard if your going to have things on top of it. Hopefully that helps a bit?
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Paul Seiler

I am currently building my second steel SIP house through Quick Build Homes. The first I built, with help from a builder, taking some weeks off work. QBH are doing the second and I am really pleased. Cheap, well insulated, low maintenance rental houses. My next project will be a two-story duplex in Newlands, Wellington. While I still want to do SIP construction, it is a design and build. So, I am looking for a builder who will respect the budget (new build rental, cash flow positive) but do a good job in exchange for fair pay. Any suggestions?
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TJ

Well you must be one of a very few people who are happy with Landmark homes/Bild North Auckland Ltd. They have some flashy showhomes and slick sales people that tell you what you want to hear. Once you pay your deposit which is usually 10% that is basically their profit there isn’t much urgency in building the house,they are aware of the rules and how to manipulate them to their advantage. They have some unhappy customers in the Omaha and Matakana areas. Don’t forget it is not Landmark homes that is building your home it is a franchisee that may not be as reputable as the Franchisor. Landmark Homes have had a few noteable colapses in recent times and do their best to threaten legal action against you should you speak out. Would you risk it ?You can do much better.
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Cara

Hi, We have brick issues as well. Initially we had our franchise tell us that it was the best they have seen (honestly it was rubbish from every level). We made them aware that we were going to get an independent consultant to come have a look. Unfortunately we had to pay out of our pocket for the mess these builders/franchisees create. Once the report was done (it was done by someone well known in the industry) they agreed to do some work to rectify it (we are yet to see the result). However, they initially argued that no one had complained about the brickwork (our house is being built around 15 odd other new houses and all the brickwork is just as bad) and when we asked them to let us speak to at least of the homeowners they refused it. They clearly know the work is not upto standard hence didnt want us to start up something with all the homeowners around that neighbourhood. I assume these poor homeowners either have no idea about what options they have or are just fed up with dealing with the builders. If i were you, spend about $1.5-$2k getting an independent report done. Its not much compared to what it will cost to redo the brickwork yourself at a later stage. Have you lodged a complain with NZCB? Did you give it in writing to the franchise that you were not happy? have you paid all your money for the build or are you holding some? Talk to your lawyer. Fortunately our’s is a turnkey option so we haven’t paid any amount yet.
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Pollu

Oh my goodness Concerned. Usually the insurance lasts 12 months. I really think you need to get your lawyer involved in this one. Is this one of the big franchises or a smaller one? Look will get back to you later. I am going to get my husband to look over what you have written. He has a better idea than me. He will answer you comment soon.
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Naresh Asnani

Hi, I recently built home through, GJ Gardner, South Auckland and have found scratches marks on my slider window. I raised the issue with franchisee and head office but they are saying these scratches are not visible from 2m. I can see them beyond 2m. Very bad company to work with. There were a lot of maintenance issues and also leak in the bathrooms. Will advise everybody not to use them ever. Liars!! Junk Builders!Does anybody know how to escalate it to MBIE?
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Chris

Hi Ashley, I totally agree with Sarah’s comments. But I would add that you should also push the builder to keep the number of PC items to a minimum. For example in the case of the service connections mentioned, a PC sum in a general spec you see when you first visit the builder is not unreasonable. But should not be necessary once they know the actual site details. At that stage they should include the actual price in the final contract that you sign. If they don’t want to do that they are being lazy, and hoping you’ll cover them for their mistakes. The actual meaning of PC is Prime Cost, and is intended for use only for things that you the client have some choice about. For example kitchen fittings and appliances, or tiles and carpets. Not for essential engineering parts of the house that don’t involve any choice on your part. There are also what are called Provisional Sums, Rates or Quantities for things like the amount of excavation in the foundations. You may have no control over these, but also the builder may be unable to calculate the exact amount until the engineer sees what the soil condition is like. I suggest that if possible you always go for fixed rates on provisional quantities, rather than just a provisional sum of money.
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Leanne

Hi HobPointOwner, we are currently experiencing a similar situation with GJ’s Whangarei franchise. We signed on with them at the end of April 2016 and were told our home would take about 8 months to complete. That was 15 months ago. They blame contractors and anyone else they can for delays. The owner, Peter Butler, is awful to deal with and has sent us emails with comments we feel are unprofessional. I contacted HO a few weeks ago and have found them to be absolutely no support at all – they just keep saying they’ve talked about it and will make changes in their training, which doesn’t help our current situation! We have also found the franchise terrible communicators.
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Chrisgram

I can understand that. We made the same mistake and even 3 years later still regret it.
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Anne

Hi there, Our building experience with GJ North Shore was dreadful. Several delayed move in dates, attention to detail is poor. They are all nice as pie and promise the world when a payment is due. In between these dates communication is poor. We are very under whelmed. Be prepared to project manage your own house and I felt that costs were not that transparent. They share with you what they want to.
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Lauren

Your build sounds like how our build went with GJs Rodney – The sales man was excellent and very approachable. Then the build started off really fast (with some weather delays which were out of our control but what you’d expect building in Winter). They managed to complete almost everything and get us in before Christmas with the promise that they’d fix the remainder and sort out CCC after everyone was back at work – we believed them, paid all the outstanding money and now are still waiting for them to come back and complete work that was in the contract… They’ve been replying to our emails and stuff so I hope they’ll be back soon to complete everything but it’s a very frustrating position to be in… BUT we love our house, the finish is excellent and more than we hoped for. The design we picked suited us perfectly after a few modifications and everyone there is more than willing to help you. We would definitely build with GJs again but we would make sure the house is just the way we want it with everything completed before paying the last of the money and moving in
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Mike Powell

1 week out from completing a reasonably large build with GJ Rodney, I can provide a further update here. Our build has been a roller coaster, we have had highs, we have had lows but I think with the best level of planning this is an inevitability. We have had our moments, but with constant vigilance, some necessary rework and calling things out, the result looks good. One thing you won’t see with GJ is a delay in getting started, they are quick to get the ball rolling. That said one of the things I would recommend is being a lot tougher with the contract negotiation, specifically LD’s for delay, and a more equitable final payment and warranty period. Their contract is very much their contract and they need to wake up here. In any project building or otherwise you have the delta to manage between sales and planning phase and then the actual delivery. GJ’s selling machine is pretty slick, possibly too slick and you will feel a bump when the post sale experience kicks in. Spend the time and be as specific as possible in the spec, it minimizes cost surprises later and also reduces ambiguity between you said and they said. Read it , study the plans and if you think there is something wrong or a deviation, call it out . Have an independent advisor confirm your concerns. Just don’t assume that everything that is happening is right. If you don’t have confidence in their PM , demand they swap them out. You can’t set and forget a building project , you need to be involved. At the same time you need a PM that is approachable, takes responsibility, can manage pressure that comes with pulling a multithreaded delivery together and is on top of everything. The same applies to sub contractors proposed for the build. Where possible find out who they are, meet them and form your own impression. Happy for you to come and take a look at the result. You can even see the state the property is left in at handover. Email me mjpowell@mac.com I know how big a choice of builder can be. You need to take the time , look around and talk to people who have been through the process with your likely shortlist suppliers. Show homes, brochures and media advertising do not provide a balanced view. The big question would I use GJ again? With the learnings from this build, they would be on my shortlist for sure but with some definite modifications to the whole approach.
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Sally

Exactly Mark, couldn’t agree more. Its getting pretty ridiculous for pricing down here lately. Have been doing a few house developments lately and we pay about $1800 ourselves (that’s for a fairly high spec – tiled showers, smart kitchen etc) but that’s developer prices, not “consumer” prices. Its way higher if you go to a housing company. Some are particularly expensive. JJ – There are some housing companies that build off-site now and seem a bit cheaper (saw one on a TV show recently) but it looks like they are mostly in the North Island and not sure if they “ship” them down here. Worth googling though??. 🙂
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annette

Wow ..love those comments. You are right about being a bully first.. We have just moved into a Keith Hay Home. The builder they contracted was awesome but he was pretty much beholden to their building schedule .We just had to keep at them and at them.. they delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed … took us 16 months from start to finish to get into our house which was a 115 sqm basic house . The price per sqm was well over the 2000 and that was before we paid for the balustrade and septics. The interior is pretty cheap to be fair but that is keith hay. Good on you for your comments.. keeping at them and being a pain in the arse is the best way to go.#
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Skilled builder

So…building with Stonewood Tauranga. I am a builder and project manager with no time to build my own home. Do i regret that decision now! 6 months before getting on site. A shift 3 times of end dates and still missing time frames. Very very poor quality build. Frames that werent aligned correctly and pinned down. Im talking anywhere from 9mm to 45mm due to not string lining bottom plates. I still have walls out 20mm and a bulkhead out 40mm. Holes in the roofing underlay. Frames not nailed off. Cladding not on but batts installed. Missing blocking for valley boards. They missed pre piping the gas! Ive had half the gutter on for a month with no sign of the rest. Changing plans without notice or confirmation or acceptance. No communication (until invoicing time then we get calls once a day). Poor poor poor company to deal with. A very unhappy process for my poor wife to have her dream home treated in such a way. We are still in the process and it will almost be 12 months by the time they finish. Ive taken some trades off them and managed them myself with no problems so they havent even had to manage the entire build and still cannot get it right. Kevin Norris….you run a very bad company trading in shoddy workmanship and i have had enough.Time to speak out and warn others off your company.
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John

Just a word of advice, before signing any specs, ensure you have seen images of all things you are receiving. This even includes the mixers, sinks etc that you believe you are getting. Many wonderful and friendly building company reps know exactly what to say to get you to sign on the dotted line but can downgrade the specs. We had this happen to us with Orange Group here in Nelson. Check carpets are what they say they will be and anything to be changed on your plan to be changed as you sit down with them and sign for that and ask for a copy or they may just say you didn’t ask for it and the owner will take the reps side. These fixed price contracts often involve downgrades to anything you might see. Saves legal action and frustration later down the track. Good Luck on your build. One of the best companies on the market that I am aware of is Jennian and Milestone. Most of the others I have heard horror stories from. John
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Overthehill

Hi, re the comment about builders getting fed up with clients seeing fixed price and then not doing proper research/not understanding bespoke designs…Some of us are reluctant new home builders, having lost our original homes in the Christchurch earthquakes. I knew absolutely nothing about building. Why should I? My occupation and background do not require it. Yet, over four years on, I am dealing with the complexities of an architectural rebuild. I think it would have been great if the building companies I dealt with had looked out of their own bubbles and realised that in this case, their clients’ ignorance is not something to be disdained and exploited. It is just normal, and so just realise that things need to be explained really well. For example, I never knew what a Variation was, never knew there was the margin I had to pay for anything after contract was signed. I did ask the BC, now is there anything I should know about extra costs, and they said no, assuming I suppose I knew about Variations and GDT. Hence i blithely signed the building contract 3 years ago, and now face forking out nearly $100,000 in variations, including margin fee and GST. Stuff like carpets and better wooden flooring, and upgraded bathroom fittings (the contract ones were underspecced, i later learned) I would have organised to be in the contract had I known…..
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